Where does this sheath come from?

Sajen · 3rd June 2025, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HughChen

A similar one from my collection

Hello Hugh,

Not really, have a look again!

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 8th June 2025, 09:44 AM

It's a repair or a restoration, from the workmanship very well done!

Sajen · 8th June 2025, 09:55 AM

Otherwise it's a rather nice Tilam Upih keris.

A. G. Maisey · 8th June 2025, 01:25 PM

Thank you for showing these images Detlef.

I'm probably not going to win any friends with these following comments, so I'll apologise in advance.

I do agree that the joining of the wood and the finish on the wrongko has been neatly done, however I am unable to agree that it has been well done.

This form of wrongko is intended to be worn as an item of formal dress, and as such it must conform to a very particular pattern. The repair to this scabbard has not followed the pattern at all, & this scabbard could not be worn as an item of dress.

If this repair had been done in Solo the correct pattern would have been followed, so it is very obvious that this repair has been done outside the culture, and in my opinion this wrongko should be replaced.

Others might have a different opinion, & I feel no compulsion to try to convince anybody that my opinion is correct.

Again, my apologies.

But the blade, hilt selut, mendak are all pretty nice, they do deserve better than they presently have.

Sajen · 8th June 2025, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Thank you for showing these images Detlef.

I'm probably not going to win any friends with these following comments, so I'll apologise in advance.

I do agree that the joining of the wood and the finish on the wrongko has been neatly done, however I am unable to agree that it has been well done.

This form of wrongko is intended to be worn as an item of formal dress, and as such it must conform to a very particular pattern. The repair to this scabbard has not followed the pattern at all, & this scabbard could not be worn as an item of dress.

If this repair had been done in Solo the correct pattern would have been followed, so it is very obvious that this repair has been done outside the culture, and in my opinion this wrongko should be replaced.

Others might have a different opinion, & I feel no compulsion to try to convince anybody that my opinion is correct.

Again, my apologies.

But the blade, hilt selut, mendak are all pretty nice, they do deserve better than they presently have.

Nothing to apologize Alan! I agree with you, that the repair don't follow the correct pattern, so I've written that the repair is well done from the "workmanship". Not in the sense of a correct pattern!

Regards,
Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 8th June 2025, 09:15 PM

Understood Detlef, & that is fair enough.

Pendita65 · 22nd July 2025, 10:53 AM

Thanks Detlef, for sharing the clear pictures and Mr Maisey for his thorough thoughts on this Keris. Despite the fact that the repair was not done according the rules, he did a rather good job with aligning the two pieces, it’s a pity he was unable to cut the curve the right way.

But a nice set you bought Detlef.

Have a nice day and hope to have more time from now on to spent here and be Busy again with the Keris now I finally have moved from Amsterdam to Hoorn.
A city with a close connection with the VOC.

Regards, Martin.

8th June 2025, 09:44 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,307	It's a repair or a restoration, from the workmanship very well done! Attached Images

8th June 2025, 09:55 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,307	Otherwise it's a rather nice Tilam Upih keris. Attached Images

8th June 2025, 01:25 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Thank you for showing these images Detlef. I'm probably not going to win any friends with these following comments, so I'll apologise in advance. I do agree that the joining of the wood and the finish on the wrongko has been neatly done, however I am unable to agree that it has been well done. This form of wrongko is intended to be worn as an item of formal dress, and as such it must conform to a very particular pattern. The repair to this scabbard has not followed the pattern at all, & this scabbard could not be worn as an item of dress. If this repair had been done in Solo the correct pattern would have been followed, so it is very obvious that this repair has been done outside the culture, and in my opinion this wrongko should be replaced. Others might have a different opinion, & I feel no compulsion to try to convince anybody that my opinion is correct. Again, my apologies. But the blade, hilt selut, mendak are all pretty nice, they do deserve better than they presently have.

8th June 2025, 09:15 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Understood Detlef, & that is fair enough.

22nd July 2025, 10:53 AM	#7
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 128	Thanks Detlef, for sharing the clear pictures and Mr Maisey for his thorough thoughts on this Keris. Despite the fact that the repair was not done according the rules, he did a rather good job with aligning the two pieces, it’s a pity he was unable to cut the curve the right way. But a nice set you bought Detlef. Have a nice day and hope to have more time from now on to spent here and be Busy again with the Keris now I finally have moved from Amsterdam to Hoorn. A city with a close connection with the VOC. Regards, Martin.