Ladrang remodelled?

JustYS · 20th February 2024, 03:12 AM

Are you referring to this thread David?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=repair

See post #25 and #26

Pendita65 · 20th February 2024, 06:59 AM

Thanks David and JustYS,

i read the thread with lot's of interest and the results are very good especially both examples of restoration work. As i was trained as a furniture restorer and worked in the field for several years before becomming a teacher in furniture restoration in Amsterdam i know that a very allmost invisible result can be made depending on the skills of the craftsmen. We had a rule of six feet six inches, what is not noticeable in six feet and it can be seen with six inches distance was an ok job.

My problem is that most of the woods used in the creation of wronko are not available in the Netherlands, so we have to find similar looking woods, and then i only go for the right grain colour can be manipulated dark to light or light stained with dyes to the desired colour.

But i am interested if when the curved tip is gone if there are examples of wronko being carved to a slightly different form to keep the dress presentable. My goal is to visit Indonesia next year and would love to go out to buy different pieces of wood used in Keris and ship it to the Netherlands for future restoration jobs. Have to find out which woods are not on the CITES list as otherwise i will have a lot of problems too.

Thank you for responding to my question and have a nice day.

regards, Martin

A. G. Maisey · 20th February 2024, 11:08 PM

I'm very pressed for time at the moment, in Bali helping a gentleman from Jakarta. This is not an 8 hour day.

Posts 9 & 10 in this thread might be useful:-

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=kacir

Gustav · 21st February 2024, 09:21 AM

I have seen one old Branggah from Yogyakarta without Angkup, which was, so far as I can tell, in its original state. I own one from Pasisir. There is a Balinese form of such Wrongko, and there is a depiction of something lke that on Candi Sukuh.

Till now I have not seen a Solo Landrang without Angkup.

Pendita65 · 21st February 2024, 10:43 AM

Thanks, for trying to give some info. Mr. Maisey and Gustav. I will post a picture of a sheath I can’t identify to where it is from it looks different it’s the one on the right. The Keris and parts I bought recently.

David · 21st February 2024, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustYS

Are you referring to this thread David?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=repair

See post #25 and #26

Not at all, though that is indeed a magnificent repair job. Alan has given a hint as to what i am talking about, which is cutting down a Ladrang sheath to a Kacir style to remove the damaged areas altogether.

Pendita65 · 21st February 2024, 08:15 PM

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Pendita65 · 23rd February 2024, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Not at all, though that is indeed a magnificent repair job. Alan has given a hint as to what i am talking about, which is cutting down a Ladrang sheath to a Kacir style to remove the damaged areas altogether.

I think i found it, searching for Kacir style and i guess this is how they used to reshape the Warangka.

https://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13435

Sajen · 23rd February 2024, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendita65

I think i found it, searching for Kacir style and i guess this is how they used to reshape the Warangka.

https://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13435

Sorry, I strongly doubt.

Pendita65 · 23rd February 2024, 01:33 PM

Hi Detlef,

why?

Sajen · 23rd February 2024, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pendita65

Hi Detlef,
why?

Hi Martin,

Because the shown wrongko type is a legitimately wrongko form and not a recarved ladrang form.

Regards,
Detlef

Pendita65 · 23rd February 2024, 05:28 PM

Thanks Detlef,

i will keep on searching, I believe they sometimes changed a damaged warangka by just altering the appeareance of the form to keep the dress.

But i might be wrong and think of it from western traditions where broken things where repaired or changed due to the damage or changing taste.

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20th February 2024, 03:12 AM	#1
JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 145	Are you referring to this thread David? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=repair See post #25 and #26

20th February 2024, 06:59 AM	#2
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 127	Thanks David and JustYS, i read the thread with lot's of interest and the results are very good especially both examples of restoration work. As i was trained as a furniture restorer and worked in the field for several years before becomming a teacher in furniture restoration in Amsterdam i know that a very allmost invisible result can be made depending on the skills of the craftsmen. We had a rule of six feet six inches, what is not noticeable in six feet and it can be seen with six inches distance was an ok job. My problem is that most of the woods used in the creation of wronko are not available in the Netherlands, so we have to find similar looking woods, and then i only go for the right grain colour can be manipulated dark to light or light stained with dyes to the desired colour. But i am interested if when the curved tip is gone if there are examples of wronko being carved to a slightly different form to keep the dress presentable. My goal is to visit Indonesia next year and would love to go out to buy different pieces of wood used in Keris and ship it to the Netherlands for future restoration jobs. Have to find out which woods are not on the CITES list as otherwise i will have a lot of problems too. Thank you for responding to my question and have a nice day. regards, Martin

20th February 2024, 11:08 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	I'm very pressed for time at the moment, in Bali helping a gentleman from Jakarta. This is not an 8 hour day. Posts 9 & 10 in this thread might be useful:- http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=kacir

21st February 2024, 09:21 AM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	I have seen one old Branggah from Yogyakarta without Angkup, which was, so far as I can tell, in its original state. I own one from Pasisir. There is a Balinese form of such Wrongko, and there is a depiction of something lke that on Candi Sukuh. Till now I have not seen a Solo Landrang without Angkup.

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Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 127	Hi Detlef, why?

23rd February 2024, 05:28 PM	#12
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 127	Thanks Detlef, i will keep on searching, I believe they sometimes changed a damaged warangka by just altering the appeareance of the form to keep the dress. But i might be wrong and think of it from western traditions where broken things where repaired or changed due to the damage or changing taste.