Medieval sword - opinions needed

Teisani · 3rd February 2024, 05:54 PM

I can't say much, it looks nice. But, am I mistaken or is there a marking on the blade in your last picture? Or is it just deep corrosion?

AHorsa · 3rd February 2024, 06:00 PM

Thanks for your reply. It is not a marking, it is a corrosion pit and a part of metal layer being undermined and liftet by corrosion as far as I can determine

A remark: on the third last image it looks like the crossguard is made from two pieces. What looks like a welding trace is just wax. The crossguard is made from one piece. The whole for the tang is fitted with two triangular pieces of steel inserted on both sides (see second last image)

Teisani · 3rd February 2024, 10:44 PM

And thank you for the quick answer. The fact that such a large particle of steel fell of from corrosion makes me think that the steel is not so homogenous, meaning not a modern steel. Maybe other forum members can weigh in on this.

Overall, it's a nice looking piece, I can't find anything thing that would make me think it's a modern piece.

And yes, the wax seam on the cross-guard was a bit confusing, thanks for clarifying.

AHorsa · 4th February 2024, 08:59 AM

Thank you very much for your opinion Teisani!

AHorsa · 4th February 2024, 10:34 AM

Critical opinions are also very welcome

fernando · 5th February 2024, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AHorsa

Critical opinions are also very welcome

Andreas, it takes a lot of guts to risk buying these things. Assuming this is the real stuff and the seller was not missing his meds, it must have cost you the equivalent to a couple (or triple) of anyone's pension check.
Within my honest ignorance, i would not dare go into it, unless it was a 'honest' replica, like this one assumed to be a reproduction, made for pedagogic purposes.
Hopefully one of our members qualified in this subject pops up with a true diagnosis.
Pray the Gods your example is authentic !

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AHorsa · 5th February 2024, 08:46 PM

Hi Fernando,

I very much appreciate your reply. It is absolutely not hursh but the truth. I am aware that this is a very dangerous field. In this case I know the sword and the seller since years as well as the background story of the sword. Otherwise I wouldn´t even contemplate such an acquisition. But the latter I cannot proof, although it is a pretty convincing story. The seller is a fine person and kindly is okay that I double check the sword. So I need to do by best to verify.

Fernando, the example you showed is an amazing example of how well made faked swords can be. Do you have better images of the structure of its surface?

Is there any scientific way to get such a piece checked? E.g. material analysis or so?

Thanks and kind regards
Andreas

3rd February 2024, 06:00 PM	#2
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Thanks for your reply. It is not a marking, it is a corrosion pit and a part of metal layer being undermined and liftet by corrosion as far as I can determine A remark: on the third last image it looks like the crossguard is made from two pieces. What looks like a welding trace is just wax. The crossguard is made from one piece. The whole for the tang is fitted with two triangular pieces of steel inserted on both sides (see second last image) Last edited by AHorsa; 3rd February 2024 at 07:29 PM.

3rd February 2024, 05:54 PM	#1
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	I can't say much, it looks nice. But, am I mistaken or is there a marking on the blade in your last picture? Or is it just deep corrosion?

3rd February 2024, 10:44 PM	#3
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	And thank you for the quick answer. The fact that such a large particle of steel fell of from corrosion makes me think that the steel is not so homogenous, meaning not a modern steel. Maybe other forum members can weigh in on this. Overall, it's a nice looking piece, I can't find anything thing that would make me think it's a modern piece. And yes, the wax seam on the cross-guard was a bit confusing, thanks for clarifying.

4th February 2024, 08:59 AM	#4
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Thank you very much for your opinion Teisani!

4th February 2024, 10:34 AM	#5
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Critical opinions are also very welcome

5th February 2024, 08:46 PM	#7
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Hi Fernando, I very much appreciate your reply. It is absolutely not hursh but the truth. I am aware that this is a very dangerous field. In this case I know the sword and the seller since years as well as the background story of the sword. Otherwise I wouldn´t even contemplate such an acquisition. But the latter I cannot proof, although it is a pretty convincing story. The seller is a fine person and kindly is okay that I double check the sword. So I need to do by best to verify. Fernando, the example you showed is an amazing example of how well made faked swords can be. Do you have better images of the structure of its surface? Is there any scientific way to get such a piece checked? E.g. material analysis or so? Thanks and kind regards Andreas