A RECENTLY ACQUIRED CUP HILT SWORD FOR COMMENTS

[midelburgo]

I also ordered from AGEA some of the newly edited Portugese XVIIth century fencing manuals. It is close to Spanish Destreza, so it should not a be a surprise swords were also alike. The three on the top (left) were presents from Manuel Valle many years ago.

Next is my navy dagger with a wavy blade, posibly recycled from a sword.

[fernando]

I happen to have a copy of TRATADO DAS LIÇÕES DA ESPADA PRETA; most interesting.
That sword signed by ANTONIO CARVALHO is a rarity. This smith is listed in a precious two volume work by SOUSA VITERBO "A ARMARIA EM PORTUGAL" (1907). The sword shown here had in the other side of the blade EM LISBOA no 1633 and could well be the one present in a Spanish/Portuguese exhibition that took place in Lisbon in 1882 (catalogue Item 313 Page 235).


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[fernando]

Originally Posted by midelburgo

... Next is my navy dagger with a wavy blade, posibly recycled from a sword...

Looks like a rather "different" dagger indeed... and an old one. I wouldn't mind having it

[midelburgo]

Originally Posted by fernando

Looks like a rather "different" dagger indeed... and an old one. I wouldn't mind having it

It weights 850grams for some 45cm. The grip is solid iron and the sail is quite thick so it could be used for punching.

It is tinned. And on the tin it was covered in black paint, possibly made with coal dust and boiled hooves (as navy iron guns). The grip was covered in red paint.

I bought it as a theater something. When I got it it was a ball of rust, you could not see the grooves on the blade, much less the designs on the shell. In order to preserve the tin I decided to use electrolysis. That destroyed most of the paint by electrophoresis, the protein moved to the + electrode and the coal was freed in the buffer. It was a confusing mess until I realized what was happening.

The swords above are in Cornwall, in a Manor called Cotehele, not in Brazil.

https://www.nationaltrustcollections...cotehele+sword
https://www.museumsincornwall.org.uk...nwall-Museums/

[fernando]

Originally Posted by midelburgo

It weights 850grams for some 45cm. The grip is solid iron and the sail is quite thick so it could be used for punching.

As i said, i wouldn't mind having it

Originally Posted by midelburgo

...The swords above are in Cornwall, in a Manor called Cotehele, not in Brazil.

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Now i don't think it is the same as the one staying in Portugal; which is described as a cup hilted version.That makes two examples by this smith, which doesn't prevent them from being rather rare swords.


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