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Old 24th April 2022, 07:44 PM   #1
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Ganapati, I cannot image that any of the keris shown in this video you posted are particularly "famous" or powerful. I found watching it a waste of time.
Hard to say if the image of keris Taming Sari that you posted is indeed the actual keris of legend. A keris that has been claimed to be the famous Taming Sari has been part of the Perak royal regalia since at least 1907 when it was photographed with some of the other royal regalia. This does look like it could be the same keris that you posted, but whether is is the actual Keris Taming Sari is anyone's guess. According to lore it was given to the Sultan of Malacca, and eventually made its way to the royal regalia of Perak. There does seem to be some provenance in tracing the history of this keris, but it is hard to say if any of it is to be believed. And there is also a legend that Hang Tuah threw the keris into saying that he would return when the kris re-appeared. If it is the actual Taming Sari keris this would be one of the very few examples of a famous esoteric blade being photographed.
As has already been suggested, this is a strange road to travel. As i stated before, truly esoteric and important keris blades are rarely show, let alone photographed. So finding examples to fuel this discussion will be near impossible. And just because someone has said a keris is famous or powerful does not necessarily so. So i am not sure what there is to be gained by this conversation or what you hope to accomplish with this thread.
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Old 25th April 2022, 09:39 AM   #2
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As i stated before, truly esoteric and important keris blades are rarely shown, let alone photographed. So finding examples to fuel this discussion will be near impossible. And just because someone has said a keris is famous or powerful does not necessarily so.
I will try to propose an exception to what David said about showing esoteric and important blades (at least for me).
However the blade in question is not a keris but a badik from Sulawesi previously belonging to a local ruler's family in Kalimantan.
The blade is old and the pamor pattern is indistinct, and I did not attempt to treat it but just polish it a little. The hilt is made from hippo ivory, the selut is from 22 kt gold filigree, and the scabbard from hippo ivory and a precious wood.
The story of this kris (which I could not witness myself but was reported to me by a reliable informant) is that it protected the house of its owner from burning while the 300 surrounding houses of the village were burned to the ground. What I could witness on the other hand is that after about 1 week after I acquired this piece, the whole village of Bontang was destroyed by a fire including the house of the seller who kept the badik in his custody!
Another part of the story is that this badik was normally not meant to be mine because of its original price and many people wanting to buy it, but I visited the seller just at the right moment as if there had been some magical influence...
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Old 25th April 2022, 06:11 PM   #3
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However the blade in question is not a keris but a badik from Sulawesi previously belonging to a local ruler's family in Kalimantan.
Sorry Jean, but as i am sure you know by now, we do not discuss blades that are not keris on this forum.
I also have to say that while you have strung together what might be an interesting set of coincidental circumstances surrounding this badik, i am not sure it qualifies it as an important or famous blade and it certainly is not a keris.
I frankly don't understand where folks would like a discussion like this to go. Even if we had some interesting and famous keris blades to show i am unaware of any from legend or lore that have been tested or proven for their esoteric or magickal qualities. I have never seen a video that wasn't faked (often in comical ways) that shows a keris flying, moving on its own or causing any result of a magickal act by it's wielder. So all we could possibly gather is a bunch of unsubstantiated stories based purely upon faith. Please understand this is not to say that i am a disbeliever that such magickal qualities exist in certain keris. But like everything else in this vein these claims are never demonstrable. The logic that because this man's house did not burn when this badik was in residence, but it did burn once he sold it, so it must have not burned because of the presence of the badik simply cannot hold up to any reasonable scrutiny. There could be any number of reasons that things worked out like they did.
I am afraid that without any further statements showing that this discussion has a valid or useful direction or purpose, that both Rick and myself have decided this is a thread that is best closed.
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