Please post pictures of famous reputed esoteric blades?

[Amuk Murugul]

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[Ganapati]

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=dongkol

Nice

[David]

While i absolutely understand your interest i am not certain there will be much of real interest turning up in this thread. Assuming that you are interested in more than just well know keris, but keris that are well known for esoteric abilities, i am not convinced that keris that have been considered "magickal" or "powerful" get photographed very often. There are indeed numerous named keris that can be found in legend, but where they are today or if they ever really existed is a matter of faith more than fact. Powerful Balinese keris such as Durga Dingkul and Bangawang Canggu that we do know existed were never returned to the Royal House of Klungkung despite promises. Few people had ever even seen these keris blades outside of their sheaths, let alone photographed them. I would think this is probably true of any keris that has ever been considered truly powerful. Where these important Balinese regalia keris are today is still a mystery.
Obviously we can show keris that were created for talismanic or esoteric purposes that are less than famous. Many of us have such keris in our collections. Though personally i have always felt uncomfortable showing such keris in public forums.

[shadejoy]

Originally Posted by David

.. Powerful Balinese keris such as Durga Dingkul and Bangawang Canggu that we do know existed were never returned to the Royal House of Klungkung despite promises..

David, I'm interested in learning more about those two Kerises you mentioned, if you don't mind sharing. Why or how are they considered powerful ..where are they now and what was the circumstances?

[David]

Originally Posted by shadejoy

David, I'm interested in learning more about those two Kerises you mentioned, if you don't mind sharing. Why or how are they considered powerful ..where are they now and what was the circumstances?

I don't want you to think i am blowing off your question, but rather than spend time pulling quotes from this book i an simply going to strongly suggest that you acquire and read Margaret J. Wiener's "Visible and Invisible Realms : Power, Magic, and Colonial Conquest in Bali". It is seriously one of of the best and most important books i know about understanding the keris, especially as it applies to Bali.I always recommend that anybody with an interest in keris should read this book...probably more than once.
The specific powers of these and other important keris are discussed at some length in this book.
These two keris were among the pajenengan keris that were confiscated by colonial powers after the 1908 Klungkung puputan. Pajenengan keris are those that are inherited by a ruler upon their succession to the throne. They were royal regalia. These keris were promised to be returned to Klungkung and then never were. Where they are today is anyones guess.

[shadejoy]

David, thank you.

[A. G. Maisey]

A long time ago, back when I was still in Keris Kindergarten, I was wandering around the environs of the Jogja kraton with a guide and I noted the keris that an abdi dalem who had stopped to talk to us was wearing.

At that time I did not speak nor understand Bahasa Indonesia, and I did not understand one hell of a lot of other things too.

I asked my guide in English if it might be possible for the gentleman who was speaking with us (in Javanese) to let me have a look at his keris. I had in my mind that if this keris measured up to my very ignorant & misguided standards of that time in my life, I would make him an offer for it that he could not refuse.

My guide blanched under his very good natural suntan and carefully explained to me that such a request would be understood by the abdi dalem as an insult, it could make him very angry, and it would be best if I said no more about this subject.

Later in my education I found that serious Javanese people do not permit anybody other than close family and close friends to lay eyes upon a personal keris. By "keris" I mean the blade, it is the blade that is a sacred object, the dress bears a similar relationship to the blade as clothes do to a man.

Photographs of personal keris are anathema. In Javanese culture such requests are invariably refused.

In collector culture, quite the opposite is true.

One either observes the standards of one culture, or of the other.

Personally, I do not permit photographs of my own personal kerises to be seen by people other than those whom I believe will keep the photographs to themselves.

It is generally accepted that it is very unwise to allow others to see a personal keris, or photos of a personal keris, until such time as one takes the decision to move that keris to a new custodian.