four foot rapier blades ???

urbanspaceman · 29th December 2021, 12:37 PM

It is hard to tell from the pictures, but you say the blade is hollow ground, do you mean it is of smallsword trefoil design?
Incidentally, the combination of swept hilt and cup seems quite unique to me; is it?

ulfberth · 29th December 2021, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

It is hard to tell from the pictures, but you say the blade is hollow ground, do you mean it is of smallsword trefoil design?
Incidentally, the combination of swept hilt and cup seems quite unique to me; is it?

This type of guard is rare yes, there is a similar rapier in the Hermitage museum in ST Petersburg Russia.
Here is an example of what i mean by a hollow ground blade.

ulfberth · 29th December 2021, 01:07 PM

the one on the left is a ring rapier also 135 cm 4foot5,14 total lenght , after the ricasso the blade is af hexagonal section and in the middle it changes to diamond section. It does not feel top heavy at all , some long rapiers can feel top heavy, these were mostly in use for cavalry.

urbanspaceman · 29th December 2021, 01:34 PM

Truly fascinating.
As you will maybe know, I am very much a novice in the world of swords, having devoted exclusive attention to researching the story of Shotley Bridge.
So it is a rare treat to glimpse into such an amazing area of sword production and I am most grateful to you for this opportunity.
Thanks, and best wishes for '22.
Keith.

urbanspaceman · 29th December 2021, 01:36 PM

BTW:

FULLER comes from the name of the tool used to hammer in the hollows and dates back to medieval times.

fernando · 29th December 2021, 03:33 PM

Over here we call them goteiras (gutters, as for blood gutters). It is a fantasy ... but the name stayed.

29th December 2021, 12:37 PM	#1
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 577	Hollow It is hard to tell from the pictures, but you say the blade is hollow ground, do you mean it is of smallsword trefoil design? Incidentally, the combination of swept hilt and cup seems quite unique to me; is it?

29th December 2021, 01:07 PM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	the one on the left is a ring rapier also 135 cm 4foot5,14 total lenght , after the ricasso the blade is af hexagonal section and in the middle it changes to diamond section. It does not feel top heavy at all , some long rapiers can feel top heavy, these were mostly in use for cavalry. Attached Images

29th December 2021, 01:34 PM	#4
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 577	Rapiers Truly fascinating. As you will maybe know, I am very much a novice in the world of swords, having devoted exclusive attention to researching the story of Shotley Bridge. So it is a rare treat to glimpse into such an amazing area of sword production and I am most grateful to you for this opportunity. Thanks, and best wishes for '22. Keith.

29th December 2021, 01:36 PM	#5
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 577	ps BTW: FULLER comes from the name of the tool used to hammer in the hollows and dates back to medieval times.

29th December 2021, 03:33 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Over here we call them goteiras (gutters, as for blood gutters). It is a fantasy ... but the name stayed.