Unusual Quaddara

ariel · 8th July 2021, 06:14 AM

How about just oiling it and gently go over it with a soft cloth?
Or Renaissance Wax it?

Dilemma: should I risk damaging it or should I allow it to rust itself to death?

Gonzoadler · 8th July 2021, 07:56 AM

Hello,

You can clean the blade with oil, but that needs a long time.
The faster way is vinegar, but that has also some disadvantages.
The surface can become dull and you have to be carefully with leather and horn parts and the metal parts should be cleaned with water and oil after whole process.
I can't really see how bad the rust is. If it is bad I would clean it, but you have to accept to lose patina.

Because of the origin: I would say it is persian, but that is just a feeling.

Regards
Robin

Saracen · 8th July 2021, 01:58 PM

If the rust has already penetrated under the koftgari, then these areas of the koftgari can no longer be saved.
So just lubricate with oil and stop the active rust.

mahratt · 8th July 2021, 02:01 PM

No one is surprised by the presence of varying degrees of rust on the blade and the perfect preservation of the horn handle?

I would very much like to see a high-quality photo (high-quality - this means a sharpness high-definition photo) of the entire blade and a separate photo of point.

mariusgmioc · 8th July 2021, 04:05 PM

Hmmm.... now that you are saying....

The photos are very poor quality but I find surprising the fairly pristine condition of the cutting edge, relative to the koftgari area. Usually, the proximity of the cutting edge and mostly the tip of the blade (that is usually inside the chape) are the most affected by pitting.

I also find interesting how even the rust is on the koftgari areas.

But I am known to be on the paranoid side...

Kubur · 8th July 2021, 04:26 PM

I think it's fine, look at the metal parts of the hilt, they look similar and rusted as well. Just bad photos... Nice stuff BTW

mariusgmioc · 8th July 2021, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hmmm.... now that you are saying....

The photos are very poor quality but I find surprising the fairly pristine condition of the cutting edge, relative to the koftgari area. Usually, the proximity of the cutting edge and mostly the tip of the blade (that is usually inside the chape) are the most affected by pitting.

I also find interesting how even the rust is on the koftgari areas.

But I am known to be on the paranoid side...

PS: Yet despite the bad photos and interesting rust distribution, I am inclined to believe it is a genuine antique piece.

francantolin · 8th July 2021, 07:54 PM

I often used ''gentle'' acids like regular coke for remove rust and keep a nice patina , the koftgari isn't damaged.
a solution with diluted ferric chlorid works too.
vinegar is ok but, as mentioned, often the steel turns dull...

on the other side of the PH scale, baking soda is ok to turn rust over and preserve silver or golden koftgari
,only problem: sometimes it cleans and shine too much. and all patina is lost...

PS: I do that when the kofgari is no more visible and covered by rust, In your case,I find too its ok so just a little oil/''magic''WD40
will be good if you are afraid to lose some kofgari or aged patina...

8th July 2021, 06:14 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	How about just oiling it and gently go over it with a soft cloth? Or Renaissance Wax it? Dilemma: should I risk damaging it or should I allow it to rust itself to death?

8th July 2021, 07:56 AM	#2
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 255	Hello, You can clean the blade with oil, but that needs a long time. The faster way is vinegar, but that has also some disadvantages. The surface can become dull and you have to be carefully with leather and horn parts and the metal parts should be cleaned with water and oil after whole process. I can't really see how bad the rust is. If it is bad I would clean it, but you have to accept to lose patina. Because of the origin: I would say it is persian, but that is just a feeling. Regards Robin

8th July 2021, 01:58 PM	#3
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	If the rust has already penetrated under the koftgari, then these areas of the koftgari can no longer be saved. So just lubricate with oil and stop the active rust.

8th July 2021, 02:01 PM	#4
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	No one is surprised by the presence of varying degrees of rust on the blade and the perfect preservation of the horn handle? I would very much like to see a high-quality photo (high-quality - this means a sharpness high-definition photo) of the entire blade and a separate photo of point.

8th July 2021, 04:05 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Hmmm.... now that you are saying.... The photos are very poor quality but I find surprising the fairly pristine condition of the cutting edge, relative to the koftgari area. Usually, the proximity of the cutting edge and mostly the tip of the blade (that is usually inside the chape) are the most affected by pitting. I also find interesting how even the rust is on the koftgari areas. But I am known to be on the paranoid side...

8th July 2021, 04:26 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I think it's fine, look at the metal parts of the hilt, they look similar and rusted as well. Just bad photos... Nice stuff BTW

8th July 2021, 07:54 PM	#8
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	I often used ''gentle'' acids like regular coke for remove rust and keep a nice patina , the koftgari isn't damaged. a solution with diluted ferric chlorid works too. vinegar is ok but, as mentioned, often the steel turns dull... on the other side of the PH scale, baking soda is ok to turn rust over and preserve silver or golden koftgari ,only problem: sometimes it cleans and shine too much. and all patina is lost... PS: I do that when the kofgari is no more visible and covered by rust, In your case,I find too its ok so just a little oil/''magic''WD40 will be good if you are afraid to lose some kofgari or aged patina...