Broad sword without apple, please help with attribution

[mariusgmioc]

Can you please post better quality photos?

Also some details of the tip would be nice.

[Elmereya]

Thank you for your interest,
of course, at the beginning of the topic there are old photos, almost 20 years have passed since that time,
I just wanted to show the first photos, the subject is almost cleared, now I will post a series of photos in different lighting,.
I got a few unusual items for my region that I want to show here,
Look here please .
respectfully

[Elmereya]

some more details

[Raf]

This is what one might expect to see on a 13/14 century sword in excavated condition. Note the way the corrosion has etched the steel revealing the pattern of the origional forging caused by impurities in the steel and resulting delamination. Also the characteristic poor fit of the cross guard. I dont see this in this example

[Elmereya]

Good afternoon, good example, thanks.
earlier I myself had to clean it from rust and it is equally difficult for me to recognize it as not real, as it is to be completely sure that it is ancient, so I am grateful for any opinions.
with respect .

[Elmereya]

thank you for the photo,
there were such opinions locally;
-that the sword is from the 14/15 century,.
-that it is a sword made in the 19th century, just for a wall or over a fireplace, .
- that in the 19th century it would have been made more technologically probably.
with respect

[mariusgmioc]

There are more issues wrong with this sword, beginning with the initial corrosion...

So I would say it may be a 19tc century historicism piece but I am more inclined to say that it is a modern fake artificially aged.

[Dmitry]

Originally Posted by Raf

This is what one might expect to see on a 13/14 century sword in excavated condition. Note the way the corrosion has etched the steel revealing the pattern of the origional forging caused by impurities in the steel and resulting delamination. Also the characteristic poor fit of the cross guard. I dont see this in this example

I agree. The OP's sword looks like a fake made to look like a relic. There's a lot of that coming from the Eastern Europe these days. I wonder where he acquired the sword.

[Elmereya]

Thank you Dmitry for your opinion, there are enough absurdities in the subject, which of course are visible to me, which is why I showed it here.
with respect

[Elmereya]

however, there is something that makes you want to figure it out to the end,
At first ; the rust on it was a real, thick, strong crust, as in the first photos, and it was removed on its own.
Secondly; the blades on both sides are clogged, dull, but inside the cross-pieces they remain (seen in the photo).
third; I had previously thought that it was shortened, the longitudinal rib could not initially reach the tip.
fourthly; it is not completely cleaned, it must probably be soaked, different things can be seen at different angles of illumination, but they are partially still under a layer of unfinished substance,.
,,, But in general, yes, it does not look right, I agree.
with respect.

[Raf]

Originally Posted by Dmitry

I agree. The OP's sword looks like a fake made to look like a relic. There's a lot of that coming from the Eastern Europe these days. I wonder where he acquired the sword.

You have posted four swords all of which look like ground finds. It would be good if you could say something about the context in which they were discovered.

[Elmereya]

Originally Posted by Raf

You have posted four swords all of which look like ground finds. It would be good if you could say something about the context in which they were discovered.

good afternoon, within the framework of the forum, this is probably not entirely appropriate,
with respect .

[SimonM77]

Originally Posted by Raf

This is what one might expect to see on a 13/14 century sword in excavated condition. Note the way the corrosion has etched the steel revealing the pattern of the origional forging caused by impurities in the steel and resulting delamination. Also the characteristic poor fit of the cross guard. I dont see this in this example

These are very interesting pictures. The corrosion on the guard, in particular.

Normally, I am very sceptical of "clean" pitting, and the guard also has an unusual shape. But that doesnt necessarily make it bad.

The corrosion on the guard, in particular, with the "lines" makes me believe more in the object, and also the corrosion near the blade edge seems legit.

I'm 80/20 that its good, from the material shown.

It needs further examination though.

[Elmereya]

It seems to me that the material that I could then show, its quality is simple and itself, not quite correct, the presentation of the subject on my part, and there is a reason ..
it’s just that the item was being prepared for one exhibition, and since I did the initial clearing myself, I only had a question about the unusualness of the sword itself, the protection, the tip of the blade and the black, in general, in general, in type and appearance, and in the photo that turned out then he was so all flat and uncomplicated. therefore, so, but in general it was postponed, but I opened it gradually,
in the general photo, of course, it is not visible, but in fact it is all in caverns, there are still photos of places that attract attention

[Elmereya]

unfortunately, if something happened, then only a "shadow" trace remained, but even so