BUGIS KERIS HILT MOTIF/ SIGNIFICANCE/ID??

mykeris · 8th May 2012, 05:21 AM

FOUND THIS. mykeris.

Rick · 8th May 2012, 06:16 AM

Looks like .... fusion .

mykeris · 8th May 2012, 07:35 AM

Nope, its Latin!

Jean · 8th May 2012, 09:19 AM

Nice and rare piece, Bugis style with carved tip, may be from Jambi? Could you please show the whole kris?
Regards

mykeris · 8th May 2012, 12:11 PM

happy viewing Jean...looks like it has never gone to the battle field.

Marcokeris · 8th May 2012, 12:39 PM

Beautiful keris in beautiful dress with beautiful hilt (i like a lot the hilt )

Jean · 8th May 2012, 01:28 PM

Very nice kris indeed and looking original, hopefully other members will comment about its most probable origin.

Regards

Gustav · 8th May 2012, 01:43 PM

Riau/Jambi. The proportions of base of blade of this keris are similar, and pendokok (of the same kind) was some longer time together with this blade and hilt.

The hilt is exceptionally nice of course, one could see a Kakatua's head in the scrollwork perhaps.

mykeris · 8th May 2012, 04:31 PM

wow..this is beautiful too.

Sajen · 8th May 2012, 05:33 PM

Agree with the others, this hilt style is attributed to Jambi. Look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here where can find also the hint to the Kris Disc from Jensen: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi

Very beautiful hilt and keris, congrats!

Regards,

Detlef

David · 9th May 2012, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Agree with the others, this hilt style is attributed to Jambi. Look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here where can find also the hint to the Kris Disc from Jensen: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi

Very beautiful hilt and keris, congrats!

Regards,

Detlef

Sorry Detlef, but the threads you linked to don't show hilts that look like this one to me. That doesn't discount Jambi, but this hilt is a distinctly different style to my eyes...

Henk · 9th May 2012, 07:00 PM

I have to agree with David. It is a Bugis keris in all ways. The carving on the hilt I would call extraordinary and well executed. Never seen something like this and probably made after the wishes of the former owner.

Sajen · 9th May 2012, 11:14 PM

Here all hilts side by side. Before I write an answer I want to see them byself side by side.

Sajen · 9th May 2012, 11:22 PM

Ok, after viewing them all four side by side I have to say that the hilt in question isn't so much "erected" like the three others but when I have to give an opinion about it's origin I still would guess Jambi but I don't want to put my hand in fire for my guess!

At last only the carver could give a certain answer if it is Jambi in origin but I doubt that we can ask him.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 10th May 2012, 12:04 AM

I just have had a look to the krisdisc fro Jensen chapter 9,3 pages 25-29, special the hilt shown on page 27 let me lean towards my first guess that this hilt is most probable from Jambi.

BluErf · 10th May 2012, 02:13 PM

Very inspired work! Possibly one-of-a-kind

DAHenkel · 12th May 2012, 10:31 AM

I think it is very difficult to specifically ID this keris as coming from Jambi. At best we can say Melaka Straits region...more likely to the south...perhaps Jambi, perhaps Siak or Riau...perhaps even Palembang. Too little is known yet to be more specific than that.

But I can be specific about one thing...it is an extraordinary keris! I'm jealous...congrats!!

mykeris · 12th May 2012, 10:55 AM

TQ Dave and all, mykeris

kai · 12th May 2012, 10:25 PM

Thanks, Dave! I agree that this hilt isn't close enough to the hilt style attributed to Jambi to nail down its exact origin - the straits area does seem like a safer estimate.

Here's another hilt that seems more closely related. (From this thread.)

Regards,
Kai

David · 13th May 2012, 12:41 AM

That's real pretty Kai...

kai · 14th May 2012, 08:00 AM

Thanks, David. It was love on first sight and Freddy was kind enough to pass this keris on to me.

The major difference between the two hilts is their size: Noramin's example is a full-size version while mine is diminutive - this probably also accounts for some of the stylistic differences while the general flow of lines does seem to be pretty close. A detailed side by side comparison would be nice - I certainly would be glad to provide some family reunion shots...

Regards,
Kai

8th May 2012, 05:21 AM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	BUGIS KERIS HILT MOTIF/ SIGNIFICANCE/ID?? FOUND THIS. mykeris. Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 8th May 2012 at 12:09 PM.

8th May 2012, 01:43 PM	#8
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,246	Riau/Jambi. The proportions of base of blade of this keris are similar, and pendokok (of the same kind) was some longer time together with this blade and hilt. The hilt is exceptionally nice of course, one could see a Kakatua's head in the scrollwork perhaps. Attached Images

9th May 2012, 11:14 PM	#13
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Here all hilts side by side. Before I write an answer I want to see them byself side by side. Attached Images

12th May 2012, 10:25 PM	#19
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Thanks, Dave! I agree that this hilt isn't close enough to the hilt style attributed to Jambi to nail down its exact origin - the straits area does seem like a safer estimate. Here's another hilt that seems more closely related. (From this thread.) Regards, Kai Attached Images

8th May 2012, 06:16 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	Looks like .... fusion .

8th May 2012, 07:35 AM	#3
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Nope, its Latin!

8th May 2012, 09:19 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Nice and rare piece, Bugis style with carved tip, may be from Jambi? Could you please show the whole kris? Regards

8th May 2012, 12:11 PM	#5
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	happy viewing Jean...looks like it has never gone to the battle field.

8th May 2012, 12:39 PM	#6
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Beautiful keris in beautiful dress with beautiful hilt (i like a lot the hilt )

8th May 2012, 01:28 PM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Very nice kris indeed and looking original, hopefully other members will comment about its most probable origin. Regards

8th May 2012, 04:31 PM	#9
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	wow..this is beautiful too.

8th May 2012, 05:33 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Agree with the others, this hilt style is attributed to Jambi. Look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here where can find also the hint to the Kris Disc from Jensen: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi Very beautiful hilt and keris, congrats! Regards, Detlef

9th May 2012, 07:00 PM	#12
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I have to agree with David. It is a Bugis keris in all ways. The carving on the hilt I would call extraordinary and well executed. Never seen something like this and probably made after the wishes of the former owner.

9th May 2012, 11:22 PM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Ok, after viewing them all four side by side I have to say that the hilt in question isn't so much "erected" like the three others but when I have to give an opinion about it's origin I still would guess Jambi but I don't want to put my hand in fire for my guess! At last only the carver could give a certain answer if it is Jambi in origin but I doubt that we can ask him. Regards, Detlef

10th May 2012, 12:04 AM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	I just have had a look to the krisdisc fro Jensen chapter 9,3 pages 25-29, special the hilt shown on page 27 let me lean towards my first guess that this hilt is most probable from Jambi.

10th May 2012, 02:13 PM	#16
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Very inspired work! Possibly one-of-a-kind

12th May 2012, 10:31 AM	#17
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	I think it is very difficult to specifically ID this keris as coming from Jambi. At best we can say Melaka Straits region...more likely to the south...perhaps Jambi, perhaps Siak or Riau...perhaps even Palembang. Too little is known yet to be more specific than that. But I can be specific about one thing...it is an extraordinary keris! I'm jealous...congrats!!

12th May 2012, 10:55 AM	#18
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	TQ Dave and all, mykeris

13th May 2012, 12:41 AM	#20
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,113	That's real pretty Kai...

14th May 2012, 08:00 AM	#21
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Thanks, David. It was love on first sight and Freddy was kind enough to pass this keris on to me. The major difference between the two hilts is their size: Noramin's example is a full-size version while mine is diminutive - this probably also accounts for some of the stylistic differences while the general flow of lines does seem to be pretty close. A detailed side by side comparison would be nice - I certainly would be glad to provide some family reunion shots... Regards, Kai