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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th January 2006, 08:55 PM
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Posted By marto suwignyo
This discussion has turn to a very interesting...

This discussion has turn to a very interesting and maybe important direction for keris study, I feel.

I will to give my compliment to Mr. Pusaka for his original way to think about the keris and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th November 2005, 06:58 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 7,325
Posted By marto suwignyo
I thought "Ariel" was spirit of the air in...

I thought "Ariel" was spirit of the air in William Shakespeares "The Tempest".
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th November 2005, 12:05 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 21,651
Posted By marto suwignyo
Visit Yogya, Solo, Madura and Jawa Timur and try...

Visit Yogya, Solo, Madura and Jawa Timur and try to find somebody else who already use meteor.

Somebody who give gaurantee that he can make keris with meteor material.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th November 2005, 11:02 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 21,651
Posted By marto suwignyo
Maybe all keris craftsmen can use meteor material...

Maybe all keris craftsmen can use meteor material to make keris if they know how to use meteor material.

The truth is that during the last 50 years at least only one keris maker known to use...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th November 2005, 11:30 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 21,651
Posted By marto suwignyo
What I write only is for rough outline of how...

What I write only is for rough outline of how iron is prepare. If iron that is weld together during wash process is different types like white iron and iron that stain more black then is pattern...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th November 2005, 09:02 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 21,651
Posted By marto suwignyo
Yes, the character of the keris has change from...

Yes, the character of the keris has change from the time it first begin until now. At different time in different place the character of keris can be different. In Jawa the Englishman Raffles tell us...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th November 2005, 03:53 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 10,034
Posted By marto suwignyo
It might be little bit difficult to find somebody...

It might be little bit difficult to find somebody who a keris maker who can handle the meteor material.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th November 2005, 10:34 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 21,651
Posted By marto suwignyo
Regarding the questions raised by Mr. Pusaka. ...

Regarding the questions raised by Mr. Pusaka.

Sharpness:- this a product of mechanical process ( sharpening on a stone) and blade geometry ( the angle formed by the two blade sides meeting at the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th October 2005, 10:02 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 12,459
Posted By marto suwignyo
Nylon does not compress. It even more...

Nylon does not compress.

It even more dangerous to use nylon than to use cloth.

My recommendation was for wool. That is wool as produced by sheep.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th October 2005, 11:24 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 12,459
Posted By marto suwignyo
Mr. Battara In olden times the handles of...

Mr. Battara

In olden times the handles of keris were most often fixed to the pesi with damar. I have read that in pre war Malaya people used melted gramaphone records to fix keris handles in...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th September 2005, 10:46 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 12,793
Posted By marto suwignyo
As I remarked in my initial post to this thread:-...

As I remarked in my initial post to this thread:-

"A number of differently shaped knives are used for the same and similar purposes, and I have not been able to get anybody to differentiate in the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th September 2005, 12:02 AM
Replies: 74
Views: 36,201
Posted By marto suwignyo
Pak Purwacarita, I regret that I have been...

Pak Purwacarita, I regret that I have been misunderstood.

Your story is not at all strange. I think I have heard this story in one form or another previously, and I understand the ideas perfectly....
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th September 2005, 10:09 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 12,793
Posted By marto suwignyo
Sorry Henk, what threw me was "Justin gave the...

Sorry Henk, what threw me was "Justin gave the right answer", which I understood as all my Bali people being wrong.

I don`t have any problem with calling it anything at all, for discussion...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th September 2005, 10:34 AM
Replies: 74
Views: 36,201
Posted By marto suwignyo
Pak Boedi, your remarks on the difficulty you...

Pak Boedi, your remarks on the difficulty you were having with Purwacarita`s use of the word "gurindam" make me very relieved. I have been thinking that perhaps I was the only one who could not...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th September 2005, 09:59 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 12,793
Posted By marto suwignyo
VVV, What I understand as a golok is a short...

VVV,

What I understand as a golok is a short , heavy chopping knife, with a blade that has a swelling towards the tip which increases the force of the blow. Something like a khukri would be if it...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th September 2005, 08:51 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 12,793
Posted By marto suwignyo
Well, Henk, I suppose it is barely possible that...

Well, Henk, I suppose it is barely possible that all those Balinese people I have spoken to over the years who were using, or who owned one of these knives, were wrong.

Equally, I suppose it is...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th September 2005, 09:46 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 12,793
Posted By marto suwignyo
The names I have been given by Balinese people in...

The names I have been given by Balinese people in possession of, and using this type of knife are :- blakas pengentas, caluk, madik, and arug.

A number of differently shaped knives are used for...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 1st September 2005, 11:08 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 49,787
Posted By marto suwignyo
I wish to complement Pak Boedi upon his clear...

I wish to complement Pak Boedi upon his clear presentation of the view of the keris held by many students of the keris in today`s Java.

He has opened a window on a uniquely modern Javanese style...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th August 2005, 11:03 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 49,787
Posted By marto suwignyo
Pak Purwa Yes, we can set an example, we can...

Pak Purwa
Yes, we can set an example, we can try to influence, we can try to teach, and we can start with our children as soon as they begin to understand, but have you noticed that the members of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2005, 09:50 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 15,772
Posted By marto suwignyo
Fred Eiseman is an American who lived in a...

Fred Eiseman is an American who lived in a village situation in Bali for many years. His experience and perspective of Balinese life is from the inside, looking out, not from the outside, looking in....
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 3rd August 2005, 12:53 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 49,787
Posted By marto suwignyo
Pak Boedhi, I believe we may have reached the end...

Pak Boedhi, I believe we may have reached the end of our discussion on the meaning of the word "pusaka". A rereading of the views we have exchanged on this matter will demonstrate that the term...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 1st August 2005, 09:29 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 49,787
Posted By marto suwignyo
It would seem that our posts have crossed, Pak...

It would seem that our posts have crossed, Pak Boedhi.

These are very well made, elegant keris.

Have you posted these pictures in order to make a point?
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 1st August 2005, 09:24 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 49,787
Posted By marto suwignyo
Thank you for your clarification, Pak Boedhi. ...

Thank you for your clarification, Pak Boedhi.

It would seem that after all we are both reading from the same page.

I would, however, like to make the distinction between a Royal Pusaka and the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th July 2005, 01:24 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 49,787
Posted By marto suwignyo
I accept that as a member of a keris society...

I accept that as a member of a keris society based in Yogyakarta Bapak Boedhi Aditya has presented the meaning of the word "pusaka" as it is used by members of the society to which he belongs.

I...
Forum: Swap Forum 29th July 2005, 01:04 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 9,424
Posted By marto suwignyo
Thank you.

Thank you.
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