indo persian mace???

weapons 27 · 24th February 2012, 01:31 PM

could you deliver your opinion to me on this weapon… did its use and its origin, I think has small a mace? but its diameter seems to me too small. it measurement 23 inch length and the mace 1,5 inches diameter….the handle is encrusted with silver koftgari
THANK YOU

Stan S. · 24th February 2012, 05:42 PM

Pictures please?

weapons 27 · 24th February 2012, 08:25 PM

[QUOTE=weapons 27]could you deliver your opinion to me on this weapon… did its use and its origin, I think has small a mace? but its diameter seems to me too small. it measurement 23 inch length and the mace 1,5 inches diameter….the handle is encrusted with silver koftgari
THANK YOU

sorry for the photograph

ericlaude · 25th February 2012, 05:02 PM

Hi Antoine,
Yours photos are here.

Dom · 25th February 2012, 07:05 PM

Antoine, amazing, and very attractive weapon
looks for me "Indian" or may be "Indo-Persian"
as far as, I never saw something like that before
I haven't accurate ideas
anyway thanks to have share with us, this weapon

à +

Dom

Stan S. · 26th February 2012, 01:44 AM

Very interesting! I recently saw a similar one that is either ending or just ended on eBay. Somehow I doubt that it is a mace. At least not a battle mace... What are the dimensions and weight of thisi item?

Dom · 26th February 2012, 02:25 AM

I did a search, and as per as A.C. Tirri, in his book "Islamic weapons"
[quote on] combination weapons in India take many forms (e.g.)
- battle axes and matchlock for guns - 18th century
- ankus and matchlock
- walking cane and sword [quote off]
so why not ; battle mace and sword

regards

à +

Dom

Stan S. · 26th February 2012, 03:15 AM

Battle mace and sword?! Good thinking but i doubt it

Multumesc · 26th February 2012, 09:33 AM

Very interesting weapon. It comes from Asia and was used as the stick sword fight. I think it was a civilian weapon.

eftihis · 26th February 2012, 10:42 AM

Hi, i think is a "harbi" = the tool with which you load a muzzle loading weapon. In the Balkans, pistols didnt had this tool on them, like the euroopean pistols had. Instead the warrior had this tool in his belt (selahlik) together with the pistols, knife, yataghan etc.
Most of the times, the "harbi" is a compination tool. You use it as it is to push down the barell the loading, but usually unscrews to reveal a blade or a tweezer. There are various designs used in Balkans and Turkey, which i attach
photos. This one looks different, but maybe from a different region!

weapons 27 · 26th February 2012, 10:35 PM

the weight is 480 gr

stelio · 27th February 2012, 12:54 PM

you're right Eftihi , definitely a harbi. perhaps the blade is a little weird because what used to be thin. But apart from their use as an accompaniment to the gun and had like a knife

24th February 2012, 01:31 PM	#1
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	indo persian mace??? could you deliver your opinion to me on this weapon… did its use and its origin, I think has small a mace? but its diameter seems to me too small. it measurement 23 inch length and the mace 1,5 inches diameter….the handle is encrusted with silver koftgari THANK YOU

24th February 2012, 08:25 PM	#3
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	indopersian mace? [QUOTE=weapons 27]could you deliver your opinion to me on this weapon… did its use and its origin, I think has small a mace? but its diameter seems to me too small. it measurement 23 inch length and the mace 1,5 inches diameter….the handle is encrusted with silver koftgari THANK YOU sorry for the photograph Attached Images

25th February 2012, 05:02 PM	#4
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Photos Hi Antoine, Yours photos are here. Attached Images

26th February 2012, 03:15 AM	#8
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	Battle mace and sword?! Good thinking but i doubt it Last edited by Stan S.; 26th February 2012 at 09:33 PM.

26th February 2012, 10:42 AM	#10
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Hi, i think is a "harbi" = the tool with which you load a muzzle loading weapon. In the Balkans, pistols didnt had this tool on them, like the euroopean pistols had. Instead the warrior had this tool in his belt (selahlik) together with the pistols, knife, yataghan etc. Most of the times, the "harbi" is a compination tool. You use it as it is to push down the barell the loading, but usually unscrews to reveal a blade or a tweezer. There are various designs used in Balkans and Turkey, which i attach photos. This one looks different, but maybe from a different region! Attached Images

24th February 2012, 05:42 PM	#2
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	Pictures please?

25th February 2012, 07:05 PM	#5
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Antoine, amazing, and very attractive weapon looks for me "Indian" or may be "Indo-Persian" as far as, I never saw something like that before I haven't accurate ideas anyway thanks to have share with us, this weapon à + Dom

26th February 2012, 01:44 AM	#6
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	Very interesting! I recently saw a similar one that is either ending or just ended on eBay. Somehow I doubt that it is a mace. At least not a battle mace... What are the dimensions and weight of thisi item?

26th February 2012, 02:25 AM	#7
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	I did a search, and as per as A.C. Tirri, in his book "Islamic weapons" [quote on] combination weapons in India take many forms (e.g.) - battle axes and matchlock for guns - 18th century - ankus and matchlock - walking cane and sword [quote off] so why not ; battle mace and sword regards à + Dom

26th February 2012, 09:33 AM	#9
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 204	Very interesting weapon. It comes from Asia and was used as the stick sword fight. I think it was a civilian weapon.

26th February 2012, 10:35 PM	#11
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	the weight is 480 gr

27th February 2012, 12:54 PM	#12
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	you're right Eftihi , definitely a harbi. perhaps the blade is a little weird because what used to be thin. But apart from their use as an accompaniment to the gun and had like a knife