Yataghan inscription for translation

Valjhun · 1st August 2008, 08:03 PM

Surely, you are right... i've forgot to multipy witj 0.97

and I thought all the time that I was missing something

Thanks. Can somebody translate the inscription?

Zifir · 11th August 2008, 02:32 PM

Hi,
I was on vacation and could not follow the forum for a while.

The first inscription:

Amel-i İbrahim sahib Ömer Beşe 1225 (work of ibrahim, owner Ömer Beşe - the title "beşe" denoting that he was a janissary- 1810)

I could not figure out the second one yet, I can read some parts of it but cannot give any meaning without reading other parts.

Best,

Valjhun · 21st April 2010, 10:53 PM

Hi,

Sorry for resuscitating an old post, but I've accidetally came along this post today and I still have the piece and I'd really like to know what the second inscription says.

Somebody can help?

Thank you.

Zifir · 22nd April 2010, 04:07 AM

I still can't read the first part, but the last two words as far as I can read are:

salih 'abd (righteous worshipper)

Possibly Dom can help for the rest.

Dom · 22nd April 2010, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

I still can't read the first part, but the last two words as far as I can read are:

salih 'abd (righteous worshipper)

Possibly Dom can help for the rest.

Hi Zifir

the dedication does not seem complete, and the translation is aleatory
first part ??? and after "Abd" must be one of the 99 Allah names
otherwise, it will be mentionned "Abdo", it's NOT the case ...

we translated an other part
- OMAR SAHEB IBRAHIM AMAL 1225 either 1810 MADE BY IBRAHIM FOR (Saheb = owner) OMAR (inside the tughra)

à +

Dom

ps/ Zifir, do me a favour please, and tell me if you may help me here
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11738
thanks per anticipation - Dom

Zifir · 23rd April 2010, 10:08 AM

Hi Dom,
What you wrote about 'abd of course should be true for Arabic, but in Ottoman Turkish I have seen it to be used very liberally, in poems and prose Ottomans used this word only by itself (oddity of the Ottomans of course

) But still seeing the whole picture might also help.

And after much squinting and keep looking at the script for long time, I started to see some hallucinations I think, but I read the first two words as well, but I am unable to give them proper meaning. But my wild guess is that this might be a reference to Baktashi Order.

22nd April 2010, 04:07 AM	#4
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	I still can't read the first part, but the last two words as far as I can read are: salih 'abd (righteous worshipper) Possibly Dom can help for the rest. Attached Images

23rd April 2010, 10:08 AM	#6
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi Dom, What you wrote about 'abd of course should be true for Arabic, but in Ottoman Turkish I have seen it to be used very liberally, in poems and prose Ottomans used this word only by itself (oddity of the Ottomans of course ) But still seeing the whole picture might also help. And after much squinting and keep looking at the script for long time, I started to see some hallucinations I think, but I read the first two words as well, but I am unable to give them proper meaning. But my wild guess is that this might be a reference to Baktashi Order. Attached Images

1st August 2008, 08:03 PM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Surely, you are right... i've forgot to multipy witj 0.97 and I thought all the time that I was missing something Thanks. Can somebody translate the inscription?

11th August 2008, 02:32 PM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, I was on vacation and could not follow the forum for a while. The first inscription: Amel-i İbrahim sahib Ömer Beşe 1225 (work of ibrahim, owner Ömer Beşe - the title "beşe" denoting that he was a janissary- 1810) I could not figure out the second one yet, I can read some parts of it but cannot give any meaning without reading other parts. Best,

21st April 2010, 10:53 PM	#3
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Hi, Sorry for resuscitating an old post, but I've accidetally came along this post today and I still have the piece and I'd really like to know what the second inscription says. Somebody can help? Thank you.