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Old 14th December 2024, 12:37 PM   #1
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Object info (google transl. from Croatian): Pandur sword, blade German
Solingen, first half18th century, steel, Bone. Belonged
to officer of the company of Pandur, a soldier
from among the pardoned Slavonians hajduk.
Changed the military formation in the empress's army
Marije Theresa of Austria-Hungary.
Were led by a celebrated Slavonian baron
Franjo von der Trenck. The Pandurs under his leadership
successfully fought battles in Silesia, Bavaria and Austria.
Blade engraved with figures in the image of Pandur in the panel
war and inscription: VIVAT PANDUR.
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Object info (google transl. from Croatian): Pandur sword, blade German
Solingen, first half18th century, steel, Bone. Belonged
to officer of the company of Pandur, a soldier
from among the pardoned Slavonians hajduk.
Changed the military formation in the empress's army
Marije Theresa of Austria-Hungary.
Were led by a celebrated Slavonian baron
Franjo von der Trenck. The Pandurs under his leadership
successfully fought battles in Silesia, Bavaria and Austria.
Blade engraved with figures in the image of Pandur in the panel
war and inscription: VIVAT PANDUR.
I wonder if our member gp could verify the above Google translation from the museum description pictured below? The Google translation looks a little shaky to me, but should be important in identifying an actual pandur sword in what was once their original habitat.
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Thank you for sharing! My taste runs rather old... Do you happen to have more photos or information about the medieval sword at right here? It seems like it may have a maker's mark of a sword or dagger, which can be found on several notable weapons of this time.
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Thank you for sharing! My taste runs rather old... Do you happen to have more photos or information about the medieval sword at right here? It seems like it may have a maker's mark of a sword or dagger, which can be found on several notable weapons of this time.
you can contact them directly, try this link:
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Thank you for sharing! My taste runs rather old... Do you happen to have more photos or information about the medieval sword at right here? It seems like it may have a maker's mark of a sword or dagger, which can be found on several notable weapons of this time.
Must confess that I was more focused on the panzerstecher there on the left at the time, but you may be on to something. You are in luck, Reventlov! I took pics of the museum description and also post another pic of the sword below. The description mentions it’s a crusader sword. The Knights Hospitallers were based in Varazdin in early 13thC and built a church and monastery there which were later taken over by the Franciscans.
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Must confess that I was more focused on the panzerstecher there on the left at the time, but you may be on to something. You are in luck, Reventlov! I took pics of the museum description and also post another pic of the sword below. The description mentions it’s a crusader sword. The Knights Hospitallers were based in Varazdin in early 13thC and built a church and monastery there which were later taken over by the Franciscans.
That's great, thank you!

A fine example of a very classic type of the later 14th century. There is a sword of the exactly the same type (XVII, H1, 1) in the Hungarian National Museum, though I know it only by description. This one has on side the mark of a sword, on the other two swords, also in yellow metal. Oakeshott provides two more examples in Records of the Medieval Sword, including a well-known great sword in the London Museum, and it reportedly appears on the bearing sword of Edward III in Westminster Abbey.

On the tang of the Varazdin sword you can also see what is probably a mark like an X, which appears on many Eastern European swords of this period.
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I wonder if our member gp could verify the above Google translation from the museum description pictured below? The Google translation looks a little shaky to me, but should be important in identifying an actual pandur sword in what was once their original habitat.
You're welcome and no problem !

or as they say in the former Yugoslavia : nema problema
Hereby the translation of the Croatian text:

Pandur knife, German Blade from Solingen, first half18th century,
Steel, Bone and Iron Wire

Owned by a member of the Pandur Unit, (being) a volunteer of the Slavanion Hajduks. a wellknown militairy formation in Maria-Theresia's army,
under the leadership of Baron Franjo ( = Croatian for Franz / Frank) von der Trenck in Slavonia.
Under his leadership the Pandurs successfully fought battles in Silesia, Bavaria and Austria.

The cutting part of the blade is engraved with a Pandur and inscription: VIVAT PANDUR. (= long live the Pandur)

on hajduk:

A hajduk (Hungarian: hajdúk, plural of hajdú 'foot-soldier') is a type of irregular infantry found in Central, Eastern, and parts of Southeast Europe from the late 16th to mid 19th centuries, especially from Hajdú-Bihar . More info : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajduk
FYI: Hajduk Split, they used to be a quite good football team in the EUFA cups from Croatia

on Pandurs:

The Pandurs were a skirmisher unit of the Habsburg monarchy, raised by Baron Franz von der Trenck following a charter (German: Werbepatent) issued by Maria Theresa of Austria on 27 February 1741, permitting Trenck to raise a 1,000-strong troop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenck%27s_Pandurs
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Pandur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandur
a nice visualization of them ( double click on each picture):
https://steffenvoelkel.com/occult-sa...-2-2-2-2-3-2-3

hope this answers your question.

take care and have a nice day !

Gunar
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You're welcome and no problem !

or as they say in the former Yugoslavia : nema problema
Hereby the translation of the Croatian text:

Pandur knife, German Blade from Solingen, first half18th century,
Steel, Bone and Iron Wire

Owned by a member of the Pandur Unit, (being) a volunteer of the Slavanion Hajduks. a wellknown militairy formation in Maria-Theresia's army,
under the leadership of Baron Franjo ( = Croatian for Franz / Frank) von der Trenck in Slavonia.
Under his leadership the Pandurs successfully fought battles in Silesia, Bavaria and Austria.

The cutting part of the blade is engraved with a Pandur and inscription: VIVAT PANDUR. (= long live the Pandur)

on hajduk:

A hajduk (Hungarian: hajdúk, plural of hajdú 'foot-soldier') is a type of irregular infantry found in Central, Eastern, and parts of Southeast Europe from the late 16th to mid 19th centuries, especially from Hajdú-Bihar . More info : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajduk
FYI: Hajduk Split, they used to be a quite good football team in the EUFA cups from Croatia

on Pandurs:

The Pandurs were a skirmisher unit of the Habsburg monarchy, raised by Baron Franz von der Trenck following a charter (German: Werbepatent) issued by Maria Theresa of Austria on 27 February 1741, permitting Trenck to raise a 1,000-strong troop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenck%27s_Pandurs
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Pandur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandur
a nice visualization of them ( double click on each picture):
https://steffenvoelkel.com/occult-sa...-2-2-2-2-3-2-3

hope this answers your question.

take care and have a nice day !

Gunar
Many thanks, Gunar! Much appreciated.
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