my last keris

Sajen · 20th April 2023, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Sorry Marco, but i must point out that your keris is not like this. The keris in the image above is indeed properly oriented in the sheath. It is only the hilt that is oriented in reverse.

Agree with David, sorry Marco.

Marcokeris · 20th April 2023, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Agree with David, sorry Marco.

there is only one small detail: the scabbard in the photo does not have a pendok and has the same painting on both sides. so by turning the scabbard 180 degrees when I extract the kris I have the handle in the right position to be held correctly in the hand. With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

David · 20th April 2023, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

there is only one small detail: the scabbard in the photo does not have a pendok and has the same painting on both sides. so by turning the scabbard 180 degrees when I extract the kris I have the handle in the right position to be held correctly in the hand. With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. The hilt on the keris in the photo simply needs to be rotated 180 degrees. Problem solved.

Sajen · 20th April 2023, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

there is only one small detail: the scabbard in the photo does not have a pendok and has the same painting on both sides. so by turning the scabbard 180 degrees when I extract the kris I have the handle in the right position to be held correctly in the hand. With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

Dear Marco,
You can turn the keris with the painted scabbard completely when inside the scabbard or just the handle as you like and as many times as you like, it doesn't change the fact that the front of the blade points to the front of the scabbard.

In the shown picture the handle simple shows to the wrong side.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 20th April 2023, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

Disagree, the shown keris with the handle showing in the wrong direction is an eyesore!

Isn't it??

Marcokeris · 20th April 2023, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Disagree, the shown keris with the handle showing in the wrong direction is an eyesore!

Isn't it??

David · 21st April 2023, 02:46 AM

Gentlemen. I'm really not sure where this thread is going. None of the examples you have shown,Marco, present sheaths that have the keris in reverse position like your example is. That seems to be the really unusual aspect of your keris that we were all commenting on.
We have all seen Javanese hilts presented with the hilts reversed. Yes, even in published books. That does not necessarily mean that is the generally accepted position for such hilts. But yes, surely it happens.
So i am not sure what all these recent posts are trying to establish.
I respectfully suggest we move on to more fruitful topics.

Marcokeris · 25th April 2023, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Gentlemen. I'm really not sure where this thread is going. None of the examples you have shown,Marco, present sheaths that have the keris in reverse position like your example is. That seems to be the really unusual aspect of your keris that we were all commenting on.
We have all seen Javanese hilts presented with the hilts reversed. Yes, even in published books. That does not necessarily mean that is the generally accepted position for such hilts. But yes, surely it happens.
So i am not sure what all these recent posts are trying to establish.
I respectfully suggest we move on to more fruitful topics.

I apologize to you David but I find it correct to post this ... and then I shut up
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...eris+Cengkrong

milandro · 25th April 2023, 06:06 PM

there is no doubt that that thread shows a similarly oriented kris as Marco's.

And Ganjawulung is in Jakarta so not an European intetpretation

We could postulate that this is " wrong" but if several people thought this was right then maybe is right.

I have looked it up and SOME Banyumas cengkrong keris, seem to conform to this " tradition", others don't. One thing is for sure, Marco is not alone in this.

21st April 2023, 02:46 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,209	Gentlemen. I'm really not sure where this thread is going. None of the examples you have shown,Marco, present sheaths that have the keris in reverse position like your example is. That seems to be the really unusual aspect of your keris that we were all commenting on. We have all seen Javanese hilts presented with the hilts reversed. Yes, even in published books. That does not necessarily mean that is the generally accepted position for such hilts. But yes, surely it happens. So i am not sure what all these recent posts are trying to establish. I respectfully suggest we move on to more fruitful topics.

25th April 2023, 06:06 PM	#9
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 487	there is no doubt that that thread shows a similarly oriented kris as Marco's. And Ganjawulung is in Jakarta so not an European intetpretation We could postulate that this is " wrong" but if several people thought this was right then maybe is right. I have looked it up and SOME Banyumas cengkrong keris, seem to conform to this " tradition", others don't. One thing is for sure, Marco is not alone in this.