my last keris

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by kai

Here's the interesting blade with long cengkrong/cundrik-like gandhik and shorter regular gandhik (with kembang pogog).

It is fitted in reverse position as expected for regular cengkrong/cundrik.

Regards,
Kai

yes, but from your last pic, it's no possible to understand the verse of the blade inside the sheath

[A. G. Maisey]

As you wish Marco.

But it does sometimes assist in understanding keris tradition if one attempts to understand the position of the keris within the society from which it comes, and that understanding must take account of time.

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

As you wish Marco.

Sure: simple.. intuitive and fast

[A. G. Maisey]

Marco, my own intuition comes from the society & culture in which I was raised, I live in Australia, my ancestors came from Ireland, Cornwall & Scotland, with one outsider from Spain or Portugal (he was a bit of a ring in).

But in order to understand Javanese intuition, or for that matter, the intuition of any society & culture other than our own, we do need to devote a large part of our time to the relevant study.

This keris under discussion is a Javanese keris, in order to gain an understanding of this keris, should we try to apply a Javanese paradigm, or a paradigm that comes from a different culture & society?

[Marcokeris]

sorry..."sure, intuitive and fast" ...to put a book on sale years ago beside of this kerisforum.. NO!

[Marcokeris]

Alan of course, certainly a Javanese paradigm! .. A paradigm from which I am far from and aware of it.... and I love listening to the Javanese when they teach me somethings about keris

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Alan of course, certainly a Javanese paradigm! .. A paradigm from which I am far from and aware of it.... and I love listening to the Javanese people when they teach me somethings about keris

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[A. G. Maisey]

So it seems we are in agreement Marco, however, it is wise to be rather careful when selecting a teacher.

This applies to all disciplines, not only the matter of keris.


Edit

"discipline" in the sense of a branch of knowledge