my last keris

[David]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

I repeat: I put the figure taken from the dapur book just to show how the handle should be placed. Sorry for my English. I use goggle translate

Sorry if you were not able to understand what i was attempting to communicate in my previous post.
As Kai has repeated, the position of the hilt that you show is ONLY correct (at least according to this diagram) for cengkrong and cundrik. I personally do not believe that your blade is either one of those dhapurs, so your diagram does not apply to your keris.
I am sorry that i do not have any better images at this moment to show you how my Kebo Giri fits into the wrongko, but i can assure you it is in the usual manner. You may be able to tell that from this over all image though.
Again, i have NEVER seen a keris fitted to the wrongko in the reverse manner of your keris. I have no idea why anyone would do this.

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by David

Sorry if you were not able to understand what i was attempting to communicate in my previous post.
As Kai has repeated, the position of the hilt that you show is ONLY correct (at least according to this diagram) for cengkrong and cundrik. I personally do not believe that your blade is either one of those dhapurs, so your diagram does not apply to your keris.
I am sorry that i do not have any better images at this moment to show you how my Kebo Giri fits into the wrongko, but i can assure you it is in the usual manner. You may be able to tell that from this over all image though.
Again, i have NEVER seen a keris fitted to the wrongko in the reverse manner of your keris. I have no idea why anyone would do this.

because otherwise it is impossible to insert the blade (my blade) correctly in a jogya gayaman and I think it is also impossible in a solo gajaman. It might be possible to fit it into a custom made scabbard...but that would be not a sacrilege but a very great mistake

[kai]

i have NEVER seen a keris fitted to the wrongko in the reverse manner of your keris. I have no idea why anyone would do this.

Well, to be fair, cengkrong/cundrik are (always?) fitted in such a reversed position. And these dhapur are arguably close to the mahesa=kebo family (including dhuwung). I see how it could happen nowadays; I don't think any experienced tukang from tanah Jawa would do this though. But, as mentioned above, I'd be very interested to see examples of cengkrong/cundrik with wide base being fitted!

On a side note, a significant proportion of cengkrong/cundrik coming onto the market in western countries are missing scabbards for whatever reason (arguably, this is also true for antique keris in general and seemingly higher proportions of cengkrong/cundrik may only be a sampling artefact since they are not common). Also quite some seem to come out of western Java: I have no idea what customs regarding these specific dhapur apply for orang Sunda.

Regards,
Kai