Scottish Pistol Pair

[fernando]

No hard feelings, Tordenskiold. Given that your pistols don't have any characteristics that link them to a determined pattern, like a certain decoration, simple or complex, or the signature of a known smith, more or less famous, it is not surprising that members give a try and suggest they have this or that provenance. No bad intent in that.

[Tordenskiold1721]

Originally Posted by fernando

No hard feelings, Tordenskiold. Given that your pistols don't have any characteristics that link them to a determined pattern, like a certain decoration, simple or complex, or the signature of a known smith, more or less famous, it is not surprising that members give a try and suggest they have this or that provenance. No bad intent in that.

Absolutly no bad intention read into it from my side. I'm just trying to find out what this pistols are, as you point out no known smith stamp or signature or decorations. Just plain correctly made Scottish / Scottish style pistols with a lot of questions.

35 years ago I would have thought they were fantasy pistols myself

You have lots of users here and I was hoping somone would know. I'm sure there is, but until then I just have to wait.

Keep up the great work !!!

[Fernando K]

Hi Tordenkiold,

A look at Google "scottish pistols reproduction" shows the number of reproductions that are available. I do not have access to any reproduction, I live in South America, nor do I have access to the pieces that motivate this dialogue or discussion.
I allow myself to upload this image, as an example, produced by myAmoury.com.

Affectionately

[Tordenskiold1721]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hi Tordenkiold,

A look at Google "scottish pistols reproduction" shows the number of reproductions that are available. I do not have access to any reproduction, I live in South America, nor do I have access to the pieces that motivate this dialogue or discussion.
I allow myself to upload this image, as an example, produced by myAmoury.com.

Affectionately

Lots of reproductions of antique arms. Also with fine decorations and made for black powder shooting.

The old patina and rust, the assembly stamps on the inside of the tangs, over 200 years old grease or some type of oil on the inside, just don't put the pistols posted in the reproduction category. But hey, I understand you follow your emotions

Here is one more replica. Not really a point but they are easy to find in all forms and quality grades:

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Tordenskiold1721

... You have lots of users here and I was hoping somone would know. I'm sure there is, but until then I just have to wait...

I sincerely hope that someone familiar with the precise model of your pistols show up with an expected identification. So far, current members tend to bear in mind that, besides rust and patina being nowadays possible to create by fake specialists, reproductions made in South Asia (India) are available out there, vent picks usually terminate in a thinner spike and there is not a minimum decoration detail, even the often seen oval in the butt. As for the 'apparently' crude aspect of your examples, you have them in your hands, you can judge better; notwithstanding such situation alone does not necessarily define whether the gun is genuine or a repro... in principle.

[Raf]

I know we do not normally discuss reproductions but as a salutary warning here is an original kit manufactured by Coach Harness in the U. K. in the 1960s. They pioneered casting from originals using the lost wax ceramic shell process .

[Raf]

On a more academic note here is how the stocks of these pistols are believed to have been constructed . Research from the Farmers Museum co-operative Cooperstown . New York .A complex forging operation starting from a flat sheet . Note the visible brazing where the horns are attached . A seam should be visible on the underside of the stock.

[Fernando K]

Hello

Speaking of counterfeits, we must say that it is very easy to reproduce rust and pitting in a current piece by "aging" it. For that, chemical substances are used, which give up their oxygen easily. The same goes for numbers, they can be stamped and aged. The needles presented here appear to be made with a common, long screw that has been ground to a fine thread just like the head and tapered. Precisely, as the head is not very long, I leave it like this, short. There are other methods to find out, such as the pitch of the screws. In a current forgery, standard screws (metric or withwort) are used. I think you can continue investigating

Affectionately
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[Tordenskiold1721]

Speaking of counterfeits, digging a metal part down into wet dirt creates a more real antique rust than acids. I heard there is even good counterfeits of 100 dollar bills