request for translation

Battara · 27th October 2016, 05:25 PM

What a nice kilij!

Kurt · 29th October 2016, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

What a nice kilij!

Thanks Battara ,

You were the only one which one show a reaction.
Will not post anything more.

Kurt

Sajen · 29th October 2016, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt

Thanks Battara ,

You were the only one which one show a reaction.
Will not post anything more.

Kurt

Hello Kurt,

don't be disapointed and angry, I've noticed your beautiful kilij but since it don't fall under the swords I am interested on and can't read the inscription I don't comment. It's not the first thread which don't received first not many comments but become later a free runner.

I am sure that this beauty will get many attention.

Best regards,
Detlef

ariel · 29th October 2016, 08:45 PM

Kurt,
Please, do not get offended. We are talking only about 2 days delay.
It is a very nice kilij, Battara is correct, and I join him.
I seem to get a hint of wootz; am I correct?
BTW, the date is 1236.

Kurt · 29th October 2016, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Kurt,
Please, do not get offended. We are talking only about 2 days delay.
It is a very nice kilij, Battara is correct, and I join him.
I seem to get a hint of wootz; am I correct?
BTW, the date is 1236.

Ariel
You're right I made a mistake.
The correct date is 1236 =1821
Blade is wootz. Must be etched.
Kurt

digenis · 31st October 2016, 06:09 PM

Kurt,

Don't leave us! This place probably has a high percentage of the people world-wide that have an interest in ethnographic arms collecting! It is a small but high quality group and every member is valued.

The Ottoman kilij looks great. I wonder if some of the experts on the forum can comment on the almost pristine gold work. Almost too perfect. Any thoughts?

Battara · 31st October 2016, 06:25 PM

Kurt I must say that it is a little unusual to have gold koftgari in such pristine condition - and still thick!!

For me (being a bling queen

) this is one of the great features of your piece.

I think that the word "Allah" might be in the Seal of Solomon "star". I was waiting for translations, but sometimes that takes a few days depending upon who gets to see this. Please be patient. I also think I see a Qur'anic verse in one of the inscriptions as well.

I like the wootz, but I think you are right - a little more etching might help. However, if it is Turkish wootz, it might not pop out like Persian wootz does.

At the same time, I also noticed that your rhino horn grip seems complete as well.

If you ever want to throw this away in the trash, please let me know......

Kurt · 31st October 2016, 06:40 PM

Battara have a look at the other side of the blade.
The handle is not rhino, is of Ordinary Horn.
Kurt

31st October 2016, 06:40 PM	#8
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	Other side the Pala blade. Battara have a look at the other side of the blade. The handle is not rhino, is of Ordinary Horn. Kurt Attached Images

27th October 2016, 05:25 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	What a nice kilij!

29th October 2016, 08:45 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Kurt, Please, do not get offended. We are talking only about 2 days delay. It is a very nice kilij, Battara is correct, and I join him. I seem to get a hint of wootz; am I correct? BTW, the date is 1236.

31st October 2016, 06:09 PM	#6
digenis Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 48	Kurt, Don't leave us! This place probably has a high percentage of the people world-wide that have an interest in ethnographic arms collecting! It is a small but high quality group and every member is valued. The Ottoman kilij looks great. I wonder if some of the experts on the forum can comment on the almost pristine gold work. Almost too perfect. Any thoughts?

31st October 2016, 06:25 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Kurt I must say that it is a little unusual to have gold koftgari in such pristine condition - and still thick!! For me (being a bling queen ) this is one of the great features of your piece. I think that the word "Allah" might be in the Seal of Solomon "star". I was waiting for translations, but sometimes that takes a few days depending upon who gets to see this. Please be patient. I also think I see a Qur'anic verse in one of the inscriptions as well. I like the wootz, but I think you are right - a little more etching might help. However, if it is Turkish wootz, it might not pop out like Persian wootz does. At the same time, I also noticed that your rhino horn grip seems complete as well. If you ever want to throw this away in the trash, please let me know......