Pala + Saif = ??

Kubur · 28th July 2015, 02:49 PM

Please, post your examples, thanks!

A.alnakkas · 28th July 2015, 03:08 PM

Here are two. Although I have seen others in Saudi museums (King Faisal swords) and others owned by collectors in KSA.

Both blades are wootz.

Kubur · 28th July 2015, 03:53 PM

Thanks
They are not Pala.
They are Indian blades with Arabian hilts.
Best,
Kubur

A.alnakkas · 28th July 2015, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thanks
They are not Pala.
They are Indian blades with Arabian hilts.
Best,
Kubur

Yep I posted these as examples of saifs with Yelmans and not palas, as its obvious that am looking for such examples with pala blades.

Richard G · 28th July 2015, 05:57 PM

Hello Mr Alnakass,
Certainly you can find early photographs of dignitaries in the Hejaz wearing what would probably now be described as a Turkish Killij. Obviously this is the Ottoman influence, but it seems to me that blades, now termed pala(s) were not uncommon in this area of what is now Saudi Arabia.
Regards
Richard

A.alnakkas · 28th July 2015, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard G

Hello Mr Alnakass,
Certainly you can find early photographs of dignitaries in the Hejaz wearing what would probably now be described as a Turkish Killij. Obviously this is the Ottoman influence, but it seems to me that blades, now termed pala(s) were not uncommon in this area of what is now Saudi Arabia.
Regards
Richard

Hey Richard,

Yes though the Hejaz area was under heavy Ottoman influence and control. The sword mounts type that am talking about is like the swords I have shared. The existence of fully Ottoman dressed swords (including pala's) is documented in the gulf, mainly in Hejaz and loot/gift items. A Kuwaiti prince is shown with an Ottoman sword for example (I have the photo somewhere!) and Ashraaf of Makkah carried Ottoman swords. I am mainly looking for hybrids here :-)

ariel · 28th July 2015, 10:18 PM

One of a very well known dealers had in his catalogue a true Pala blade with a disproportionally long yataghan handle.
I am still kicking myself for not buying it.
I recently contacted him and asked whether he had a copy of the catalogue: no, he sold all of them.

28th July 2015, 03:08 PM	#2
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Here are two. Although I have seen others in Saudi museums (King Faisal swords) and others owned by collectors in KSA. Both blades are wootz. Attached Images

28th July 2015, 02:49 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Please, post your examples, thanks!

28th July 2015, 03:53 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thanks They are not Pala. They are Indian blades with Arabian hilts. Best, Kubur

28th July 2015, 05:57 PM	#5
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	Hello Mr Alnakass, Certainly you can find early photographs of dignitaries in the Hejaz wearing what would probably now be described as a Turkish Killij. Obviously this is the Ottoman influence, but it seems to me that blades, now termed pala(s) were not uncommon in this area of what is now Saudi Arabia. Regards Richard

28th July 2015, 10:18 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	One of a very well known dealers had in his catalogue a true Pala blade with a disproportionally long yataghan handle. I am still kicking myself for not buying it. I recently contacted him and asked whether he had a copy of the catalogue: no, he sold all of them.