Pala + Saif = ??

Gavin Nugent · 28th July 2015, 02:35 PM

An unusual sword.

I've seen Pala blades correctly married in some unusual dress but that would be quite an unusual sword, quite far removed from the traditional form.

Do you think it is more likely that you'd find a longer Ottoman kilij type blade of a more traditional profile before you'd find the broader Pala type within Arabian Peninsula.

What are your thoughts on either. Have you seen longer blades with a yelman in this dress?

Gavin

A.alnakkas · 28th July 2015, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

An unusual sword.

I've seen Pala blades correctly married in some unusual dress but that would be quite an unusual sword, quite far removed from the traditional form.

Do you think it is more likely that you'd find a longer Ottoman kilij type blade of a more traditional profile before you'd find the broader Pala type within Arabian Peninsula.

What are your thoughts on either. Have you seen longer blades with a yelman in this dress?

Gavin

Hey Gav,

Yep those exist. Also, longer blades with yelmans with Gulf Arab mounts are usually from India although Persian and Ottoman examples exist. Will share a couple from my collection soon. Though I believe now that the pala blade was probably not liked in this region.

Syrian hilted Palas do exist, although mostly rehilts with iron mounts.

Kubur · 28th July 2015, 02:49 PM

Please, post your examples, thanks!

A.alnakkas · 28th July 2015, 03:08 PM

Here are two. Although I have seen others in Saudi museums (King Faisal swords) and others owned by collectors in KSA.

Both blades are wootz.

Kubur · 28th July 2015, 03:53 PM

Thanks
They are not Pala.
They are Indian blades with Arabian hilts.
Best,
Kubur

A.alnakkas · 28th July 2015, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thanks
They are not Pala.
They are Indian blades with Arabian hilts.
Best,
Kubur

Yep I posted these as examples of saifs with Yelmans and not palas, as its obvious that am looking for such examples with pala blades.

Richard G · 28th July 2015, 05:57 PM

Hello Mr Alnakass,
Certainly you can find early photographs of dignitaries in the Hejaz wearing what would probably now be described as a Turkish Killij. Obviously this is the Ottoman influence, but it seems to me that blades, now termed pala(s) were not uncommon in this area of what is now Saudi Arabia.
Regards
Richard

28th July 2015, 03:08 PM	#4
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Here are two. Although I have seen others in Saudi museums (King Faisal swords) and others owned by collectors in KSA. Both blades are wootz. Attached Images

28th July 2015, 02:35 PM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	An unusual sword. I've seen Pala blades correctly married in some unusual dress but that would be quite an unusual sword, quite far removed from the traditional form. Do you think it is more likely that you'd find a longer Ottoman kilij type blade of a more traditional profile before you'd find the broader Pala type within Arabian Peninsula. What are your thoughts on either. Have you seen longer blades with a yelman in this dress? Gavin

28th July 2015, 02:49 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Please, post your examples, thanks!

28th July 2015, 03:53 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thanks They are not Pala. They are Indian blades with Arabian hilts. Best, Kubur

28th July 2015, 05:57 PM	#7
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	Hello Mr Alnakass, Certainly you can find early photographs of dignitaries in the Hejaz wearing what would probably now be described as a Turkish Killij. Obviously this is the Ottoman influence, but it seems to me that blades, now termed pala(s) were not uncommon in this area of what is now Saudi Arabia. Regards Richard