Balinese Keris Holders

Sajen · 19th October 2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I think this is a likely attribution. He does seem to have the appropriate widely spaced 2 teeth and general head shape.

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 19th October 2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

Nice one Detlef.

His hands look shaped like they did hold something in the past ?

Sajen · 20th October 2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Nice one Detlef.

His hands look shaped like they did hold something in the past ?

Thank you Willem,

yes, I like it as well, good old Bali carving. You are correct by your assumption but I really don't know what. Maybe tombaks?

Regards,

Detlef

ivoke · 25th October 2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

Think its Petruk, not Twalen, but i can be wrong.

Sajen · 25th October 2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ivoke

Think its Petruk, not Twalen, but i can be wrong.

Hello Ivoke,

why you think like this? Can you explain? Thank you in advance,

Detlef

ivoke · 25th October 2011, 09:54 PM

Well, from what i know,

basicly:

Twalen is black,
his sarong is black and white,
Petruk has green in his colorscheme and facial hair.
but he normally also has a bigger nose,so it could also be Delem,
my opinion its not Twalen or Merdah.

Gio's Hanuman has more features that could make it Twalen.

but this is my personal opinion, i could be wrong.
And i base myself on the Bali-Singaraja versions.

asomotif · 26th October 2011, 12:19 AM

Nice thread.

Interesting info about the panakawan brothers.
This one is green, but no facial hair.

ivoke · 7th November 2011, 11:04 AM

i had my son ask I Agung Pandi (the local dalang) about the differences and this was his view:

* tualen = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a little nose, big mouth, good heart, fierce look, magic.

* merdah = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a big nose, big mouth, good heart, no fierce look, magic.

* delem = red skin color, upright hair (bun), sarong black and white , body fat, big nose, big mouth

* Petruk / sangut = green skin, lean body, sharp nose,sharp facial features, big mouth.

(singaraja region)

A. G. Maisey · 8th November 2011, 02:45 AM

This post is not intended to contradict ivoke, it is intended to offer an alternate point of view by somebody who is perhaps as qualified to hold a legitimate opinion as ivoke's informant.

My informant is not a dalang, but an artist, and a senior member of a banjar in the Ubud area.

Twalen is usually coloured black, his expression can change according to the situation, it is not necessarily fierce, but can be so.

Mwerdah is young, and is usually coloured red --- black is not fitting for a young character who is often unsure of himself --- the expression is most usually one of enquiry.

Here are some images of Twalen and Mwerdah keris holders that I have, they are old ones.

There are also some images of blawongs with wayang characters shown.

I seem to recall that Twalen is the Balinese equivalent of Semar, I don't know who Mwerdah is in Javanese wayang. Does anybody know for sure the Javanese equivalents of these characters?

25th October 2011, 09:54 PM	#6
ivoke Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 20	Well, from what i know, basicly: Twalen is black, his sarong is black and white, Petruk has green in his colorscheme and facial hair. but he normally also has a bigger nose,so it could also be Delem, my opinion its not Twalen or Merdah. Gio's Hanuman has more features that could make it Twalen. but this is my personal opinion, i could be wrong. And i base myself on the Bali-Singaraja versions. Last edited by ivoke; 25th October 2011 at 10:49 PM.

26th October 2011, 12:19 AM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Nice thread. Interesting info about the panakawan brothers. This one is green, but no facial hair. Attached Images

8th November 2011, 02:45 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	This post is not intended to contradict ivoke, it is intended to offer an alternate point of view by somebody who is perhaps as qualified to hold a legitimate opinion as ivoke's informant. My informant is not a dalang, but an artist, and a senior member of a banjar in the Ubud area. Twalen is usually coloured black, his expression can change according to the situation, it is not necessarily fierce, but can be so. Mwerdah is young, and is usually coloured red --- black is not fitting for a young character who is often unsure of himself --- the expression is most usually one of enquiry. Here are some images of Twalen and Mwerdah keris holders that I have, they are old ones. There are also some images of blawongs with wayang characters shown. I seem to recall that Twalen is the Balinese equivalent of Semar, I don't know who Mwerdah is in Javanese wayang. Does anybody know for sure the Javanese equivalents of these characters? Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 8th November 2011 at 01:58 PM. Reason: photos edited at poster's request .

7th November 2011, 11:04 AM	#8
ivoke Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 20	i had my son ask I Agung Pandi (the local dalang) about the differences and this was his view: * tualen = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a little nose, big mouth, good heart, fierce look, magic. * merdah = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a big nose, big mouth, good heart, no fierce look, magic. * delem = red skin color, upright hair (bun), sarong black and white , body fat, big nose, big mouth * Petruk / sangut = green skin, lean body, sharp nose,sharp facial features, big mouth. (singaraja region)