Balinese Keris Holders

David · 19th October 2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by klewang

I think Gio's kerisholder might be Twalen, the Balinese version of Semar.
I know he is mentioned in a book on Semar by Ruud Greve, can't find it right know unfortunately.

I think this is a likely attribution. He does seem to have the appropriate widely spaced 2 teeth and general head shape.

Sajen · 19th October 2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I think this is a likely attribution. He does seem to have the appropriate widely spaced 2 teeth and general head shape.

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 19th October 2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

Nice one Detlef.

His hands look shaped like they did hold something in the past ?

Sajen · 20th October 2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Nice one Detlef.

His hands look shaped like they did hold something in the past ?

Thank you Willem,

yes, I like it as well, good old Bali carving. You are correct by your assumption but I really don't know what. Maybe tombaks?

Regards,

Detlef

ivoke · 25th October 2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

Think its Petruk, not Twalen, but i can be wrong.

Sajen · 25th October 2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ivoke

Think its Petruk, not Twalen, but i can be wrong.

Hello Ivoke,

why you think like this? Can you explain? Thank you in advance,

Detlef

ivoke · 25th October 2011, 09:54 PM

Well, from what i know,

basicly:

Twalen is black,
his sarong is black and white,
Petruk has green in his colorscheme and facial hair.
but he normally also has a bigger nose,so it could also be Delem,
my opinion its not Twalen or Merdah.

Gio's Hanuman has more features that could make it Twalen.

but this is my personal opinion, i could be wrong.
And i base myself on the Bali-Singaraja versions.

asomotif · 26th October 2011, 12:19 AM

Nice thread.

Interesting info about the panakawan brothers.
This one is green, but no facial hair.

ivoke · 7th November 2011, 11:04 AM

i had my son ask I Agung Pandi (the local dalang) about the differences and this was his view:

* tualen = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a little nose, big mouth, good heart, fierce look, magic.

* merdah = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a big nose, big mouth, good heart, no fierce look, magic.

* delem = red skin color, upright hair (bun), sarong black and white , body fat, big nose, big mouth

* Petruk / sangut = green skin, lean body, sharp nose,sharp facial features, big mouth.

(singaraja region)

25th October 2011, 09:54 PM	#7
ivoke Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 20	Well, from what i know, basicly: Twalen is black, his sarong is black and white, Petruk has green in his colorscheme and facial hair. but he normally also has a bigger nose,so it could also be Delem, my opinion its not Twalen or Merdah. Gio's Hanuman has more features that could make it Twalen. but this is my personal opinion, i could be wrong. And i base myself on the Bali-Singaraja versions. Last edited by ivoke; 25th October 2011 at 10:49 PM.

26th October 2011, 12:19 AM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,236	Nice thread. Interesting info about the panakawan brothers. This one is green, but no facial hair. Attached Images

7th November 2011, 11:04 AM	#9
ivoke Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 20	i had my son ask I Agung Pandi (the local dalang) about the differences and this was his view: * tualen = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a little nose, big mouth, good heart, fierce look, magic. * merdah = black, body fat, bald head, sarong black or white. a big nose, big mouth, good heart, no fierce look, magic. * delem = red skin color, upright hair (bun), sarong black and white , body fat, big nose, big mouth * Petruk / sangut = green skin, lean body, sharp nose,sharp facial features, big mouth. (singaraja region)