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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th January 2007, 07:32 PM
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Posted By ShayanMirza
My apologies. I am quite simply peeved that I...

My apologies. I am quite simply peeved that I will have to buy my own ancestors' plundered weaponry back for an astronomical price. I should not have started this thread, and apologize for initiating...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th January 2007, 07:30 PM
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Posted By ShayanMirza
I agree, collectors have certainly preserved much...

I agree, collectors have certainly preserved much weaponry. However, shouldn't the native culture be able to view weapons that were often obtained from them under duress? And can't the native...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th January 2007, 06:58 PM
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Views: 5,133
Posted By ShayanMirza
Wink The Ethics of Collecting

The more sales of ethnographic arms and armor I see, the more I am confronted with a question: is it ethical to take the arms and armor of a people, much of which was obtained during imperial...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th January 2007, 05:11 PM
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Views: 8,588
Posted By ShayanMirza
Thanks for the correction, Zifir! I was having a...

Thanks for the correction, Zifir! I was having a load of trouble with the first line since I only recognised two words and the name Osman. I don't know Turkish, but I'd really like to learn since...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th January 2007, 04:26 AM
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Views: 46,191
Posted By ShayanMirza
Whoops! I went one "great" too many. Just great x...

Whoops! I went one "great" too many. Just great x 4 grandfather. :shrug:
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th January 2007, 01:27 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 8,588
Posted By ShayanMirza
Personally, it looks more like 935 to me, but...

Personally, it looks more like 935 to me, but even then the blade may be commemorating a significant event in Erzincan that wouldn't necessarily be a national event.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 23rd January 2007, 11:52 PM
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Views: 46,191
Posted By ShayanMirza
Mine is the sword of my great great great great...

Mine is the sword of my great great great great great grandfather.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 23rd January 2007, 10:08 PM
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Views: 8,588
Posted By ShayanMirza
Just a note: yaadgaar can mean souvenir, but it...

Just a note: yaadgaar can mean souvenir, but it also can mean memorial or monument, so it probably wasn't made as a souvenir but as a commemoration.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 23rd January 2007, 07:43 PM
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Views: 8,588
Posted By ShayanMirza
On the first line I can pick out a few words, but...

On the first line I can pick out a few words, but not all...The word Osman means Ottoman in English, if I didn't misread it. At least one of the words is Persian.

The bottom line says "there is...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 9th January 2007, 05:36 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 10,401
Posted By ShayanMirza
Well said regarding ability vs. purpose, Wolviex!...

Well said regarding ability vs. purpose, Wolviex! Certainly for more deeply curved shamshirs, stabbing would be possible but not desirable. However, many shamshirs have the yelman/false edge,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 9th January 2007, 01:53 AM
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Views: 10,401
Posted By ShayanMirza
Thank you for the reference to the other post,...

Thank you for the reference to the other post, I'd read part of that looong ago and completely forgot! It has a wealth of info!

Unfortunately, I don't have any shamshir curvier than that (I only...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 9th January 2007, 12:57 AM
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Views: 10,401
Posted By ShayanMirza
Manolo, thank you very much for your kind words...

Manolo, thank you very much for your kind words about my goofy video! :D With regards to armor, it certainly would not perform as well as a straight-bladed piercing sword (a type XVIII for...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 9th January 2007, 12:06 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 10,401
Posted By ShayanMirza
Lightbulb Shamshir Hooking Thrust?

I've read on these forums that shamshirs are unable by design to perform the hooking thrust. However, my martial arts instructor (32 years studying and teaching professionally) demonstrated hooking...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 8th January 2007, 07:15 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 22,954
Posted By ShayanMirza
Thank you both a lot for the info! Congo would...

Thank you both a lot for the info! Congo would make sense, since my grandfather acquired it in Belgium when he was stationed there after WWII. Any info on what the Ngbandi used it for? It does remind...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 8th January 2007, 04:32 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 25,091
Posted By ShayanMirza
The shamshir was also fully capable on foot...

The shamshir was also fully capable on foot according to contemporary accounts, and though I work in a barn on weekends, riding them with a sword might get me fired and void my insurance...his...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 8th January 2007, 04:17 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 25,091
Posted By ShayanMirza
Well that's interesting that you don't believe in...

Well that's interesting that you don't believe in the martial capabilities of hundreds of millions of people, but he's not Middle Eastern to begin with.

Just curious, where are you from?
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 8th January 2007, 03:47 AM
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Views: 25,091
Posted By ShayanMirza
Wow, that's a great summary of saber history! ...

Wow, that's a great summary of saber history!

Regarding shamshirs, the writings extant in English have little to do with practicality, with some even speculating they were solely for hunting...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th January 2007, 11:30 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 22,954
Posted By ShayanMirza
My family tradition holds that this was a lion...

My family tradition holds that this was a lion spear. If it isn't, are there any sources of info on its possible region and background? Is it Maasai? Any info would be grand.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th January 2007, 08:45 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 14,876
Posted By ShayanMirza
I strongly agree and disagree--I think...

I strongly agree and disagree--I think nationalism tends towards emphasizing the positive in order to an imply a negative about everyone else. However, I think there is such a thing as positive...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th January 2007, 07:45 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 14,876
Posted By ShayanMirza
I realize this is a tangent....

Regarding academics and sword studies, what I find interesting is the dichotomy of approaches to swords. Academics approach swords from a historical, cultural, scientific, or aesthetic angle. The...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 6th January 2007, 05:49 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 15,240
Posted By ShayanMirza
Relevance of Region

As far as pulad steel production goes, how much does region have to do with quality? In an age before the instant dissemination of information, would a region have collectively better swords than...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 4th January 2007, 04:03 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 15,240
Posted By ShayanMirza
"It is important to recall Bronson’s observation...

"It is important to recall Bronson’s observation that no first hand ethnographic reports from South India mention that the steel produces a Damascus pattern (Bronson, 1986, 39-40). In addition, the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 3rd January 2007, 11:54 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 15,240
Posted By ShayanMirza
Smile Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone! ...

Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!

Andrew, I do indeed, though not as a heritage learner, ironically. I'm learning it the hard way. ;)

Mr. Anizi, thank you for the warning, I'll keep my...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 3rd January 2007, 09:20 PM
Replies: 25
Views: 22,954
Posted By ShayanMirza
moved post

<moved post to new thread>
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 3rd January 2007, 09:11 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 15,240
Posted By ShayanMirza
The way I've always heard it, including from...

The way I've always heard it, including from respectable Persian historians (and I'm Persian myself) is that it was most likely developed first in India, then soon spread north to the Iranian...
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