rare keris for comment

semar · 17th March 2008, 02:32 PM

hello i have buy this keris but i don`t know region of the keris and the name of the wrangka it looks very old

thanks semar

A. G. Maisey · 17th March 2008, 11:01 PM

I've never seen a wrongko exactly like this, but I have seen a similar one that was attributed to the north coast of Jawa, possibly Cirebon, or maybe Pekalongan---I forget.

The handle is also a bit outside familiar styles, but from the photos it seems to resemble a style from South Sumatra.

ronpakis · 17th March 2008, 11:55 PM

i believe there is an example in the book from van duuren with al the literature references in it. imho this is not the real thing, perhaps older but looks a bit touristic. not the same esthetics as in the book.

greetings ron

David · 18th March 2008, 05:08 AM

Yes, the wrongko style is similar to the one on page 145 of van Duuren's Krisses: a critical Bibliography, but this example seems of much lesser quality and not as old. I agree that this might be an attempt at a recreation of that style. I certainly have seen others like it for sale in the past.
Van Duuren places the origin of his example as Ceribon (north Jawa). I agree with Alan that Semar's hilt looks like a variation on a well know Sumatran style. Given that both the hilt and wrongko appear to be of the same wood and age i am not sure then exactly where we can say the origins of this dress are from.
Does the dress appear to be made for this blade?

PenangsangII · 18th March 2008, 06:52 AM

Maybe the mendak shouldnt be there, instead Palembang style pendokok would be more appropriate.

Due to cultural and trade commercial between Java and Sumatra in the past, it's quite normal to see Javanese blade ended up in Sumatran dress.

semar · 18th March 2008, 09:57 AM

thank ron pakis for your comment but when its look older how can you say its not the real thing ???????

gr semar

brekele · 18th March 2008, 10:54 AM

Hi Semar, your warangka has yuyu kangkang style (crab).
Friend of mine from madura told me that early eighties when trading keris start booming in Indonesia they produce this kind of new warangka style with antik look.
But if you think your warangka is old, then it is must be nice and RARE.

bre.

semar · 18th March 2008, 12:36 PM

hallo Martin thank You for the info and the picteur of the pasar turi I know the guys ho sitting dear ahahaa I hef siting dear for o long time to look how them make the scabbert`s and hilts

semar

Alam Shah · 18th March 2008, 02:38 PM

Here a similar piece, from the collection of Geusan Ulun Museum, Bandung, Indonesia.

http://kerisologi.multiply.com/photo...Ulun_Bandung#5
http://kerisologi.multiply.com/photo...Ulun_Bandung#3
(Courtesy of Mr Edy Jogatama)

ronpakis · 18th March 2008, 08:06 PM

hi semar, i ment that it looks like perhaps 20 30 40 years old, as in not made yesterday, but certainly not antique, sorry for the confussion.

greetings ron

semar · 19th March 2008, 09:52 AM

oke thank you ron

semar

Marcokeris · 19th March 2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Here a similar piece, from the collection of Geusan Ulun Museum, Bandung, Indonesia.

http://kerisologi.multiply.com/photo...Ulun_Bandung#5
http://kerisologi.multiply.com/photo...Ulun_Bandung#3
(Courtesy of Mr Edy Jogatama)

Thanks a lot for the nice site

Alam Shah · 20th March 2008, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Thanks a lot for the nice site

You're most welcome.

Amuk Murugul · 20th March 2008, 09:10 PM

Hullo Everybody,

What do you think about the keris coming from Nias?
I'll try to post a picture of one I've seen, when I find it again.

Best

semar · 21st March 2008, 04:51 PM

thank you i hoop you can find the picteur of the keris

regarts semar

17th March 2008, 02:32 PM	#1
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	rare keris for comment hello i have buy this keris but i don`t know region of the keris and the name of the wrangka it looks very old thanks semar Attached Images

18th March 2008, 10:54 AM	#7
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi Semar, your warangka has yuyu kangkang style (crab). Friend of mine from madura told me that early eighties when trading keris start booming in Indonesia they produce this kind of new warangka style with antik look. But if you think your warangka is old, then it is must be nice and RARE. bre. Attached Images

18th March 2008, 02:38 PM	#9
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	similar but not the same... Here a similar piece, from the collection of Geusan Ulun Museum, Bandung, Indonesia. http://kerisologi.multiply.com/photo...Ulun_Bandung#5 http://kerisologi.multiply.com/photo...Ulun_Bandung#3 (Courtesy of Mr Edy Jogatama)

18th March 2008, 08:06 PM	#10
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	looks older hi semar, i ment that it looks like perhaps 20 30 40 years old, as in not made yesterday, but certainly not antique, sorry for the confussion. greetings ron

20th March 2008, 09:10 PM	#14
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 462	Keris Nias? Hullo Everybody, What do you think about the keris coming from Nias? I'll try to post a picture of one I've seen, when I find it again. Best

17th March 2008, 11:01 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,924	I've never seen a wrongko exactly like this, but I have seen a similar one that was attributed to the north coast of Jawa, possibly Cirebon, or maybe Pekalongan---I forget. The handle is also a bit outside familiar styles, but from the photos it seems to resemble a style from South Sumatra.

17th March 2008, 11:55 PM	#3
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	d an duuren i believe there is an example in the book from van duuren with al the literature references in it. imho this is not the real thing, perhaps older but looks a bit touristic. not the same esthetics as in the book. greetings ron

18th March 2008, 05:08 AM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,162	Yes, the wrongko style is similar to the one on page 145 of van Duuren's Krisses: a critical Bibliography, but this example seems of much lesser quality and not as old. I agree that this might be an attempt at a recreation of that style. I certainly have seen others like it for sale in the past. Van Duuren places the origin of his example as Ceribon (north Jawa). I agree with Alan that Semar's hilt looks like a variation on a well know Sumatran style. Given that both the hilt and wrongko appear to be of the same wood and age i am not sure then exactly where we can say the origins of this dress are from. Does the dress appear to be made for this blade?

18th March 2008, 06:52 AM	#5
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Maybe the mendak shouldnt be there, instead Palembang style pendokok would be more appropriate. Due to cultural and trade commercial between Java and Sumatra in the past, it's quite normal to see Javanese blade ended up in Sumatran dress.

18th March 2008, 09:57 AM	#6
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	thank ron pakis for your comment but when its look older how can you say its not the real thing ??????? gr semar

18th March 2008, 12:36 PM	#8
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	hallo Martin thank You for the info and the picteur of the pasar turi I know the guys ho sitting dear ahahaa I hef siting dear for o long time to look how them make the scabbert`s and hilts semar

19th March 2008, 09:52 AM	#11
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	oke thank you ron semar

21st March 2008, 04:51 PM	#15
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	thank you i hoop you can find the picteur of the keris regarts semar