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Somebody got a good buy? They could have made bit of a gamble. I do not know much about these but it looks okay.
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Hey Tim, you're a lucky boy
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Thanks Flavio. I think a small piece of the hilt is missing but at the price I suppose I can live with it.
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Yes Tim, maybe a little piece is missing, what a shame!!!! How you can live with this!!!!! Noooo for sure you can't, so send to me the kris
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Nice solid Moro kris, possible Maguindanao (need to double check on that).
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I did take a bit of a gamble on the sellers pics but it has all turned out fine. I am not familiar with these weapons. This is very interesting, the quality and lightness reminds me of some of the best African work. I would say it handles much better than the best African sword like weapons. I can see that there is a forge pattern in the blade. There is a curious forge welded right angle section at the base of the blade before the separate guard piece. It is all compete with no damage to the pommel which I thought was damaged. The scabbard is very interesting, made of two pieces of wood. One piece has the scabbard mouth carved as part of it. The other piece slots in, both pieces are fixed at the end by a horn ring and rattan binding. It seems to me a quality weapon and its plain appearance may reflect a more back woods origin? I think I can understand the hullabaloo about these weapons a little more.
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Tim
That is a nice find. The sword is an older example late 19th or early 20th century. Two piece ganja and old style steel baca baca. Congrats Lew |
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Congrats, Tim, that's a really good first one!
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![]() I'd guess this originates from the 2nd half of the 19th century, maybe late 19th c. I'd be interested to hear wether Jose confirms his first impression of a Maguindanao origin. There seems to be a bit of Sulu influence, too. BTW, the blade length of 22" is correct? Quote:
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![]() There certainly was a silver "ferrule" at the base of the hilt. The grip bindings have been redone (good quality), so it's possible that there was even a bit more silverwork to the hilt originally. The elephant's face at the gangya seems to have been modified - probably the trunk got damaged and needed to be shortened. Quote:
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Tim,
YOU ARE HOOKED!!! Yeah, swing that puppy (Albovias-ism ![]() Email me. |
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Kai, the blade is 22" long and very fine. I have just had to spot some diluted PVA on the first cord knots near the blade as the cord there is showing signs of rot and two pieces have come apart. I think I have caught it in time. If I have to I will do the same all over the chords.
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Nice puppy (thanks Bill
![]() Nice call Kai - I too think Maguindanao and late 19thc, although I will double check the "mouth" of the ganga just to make sure. I also think it is a battle kris and I agree that the silver ferrule is missing from the bottom. Repairs on the tangs were not unheard of at all - these were talked about on earlier posts. All in all a nice piece (did I day puppy already? ![]() |
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Thank you for the very encouraging opinions. I do wonder on the tang repair? what ever it is it is really quite off centre, perhaps the tang does not go in the centre of the handle? I know I am new to these particular weapons but with respect, I am also unsure there was ever anything at the base of the handle. Here the rust on the clamps and most of all the patina of the wood from handling with no other ring marks seem to suggest it has been bare wood for some considerable time. Am I right in thinking that this weapon is wide spread including Moro land Philippines and Sulu Islands, parts of Borneo, and Malaya {Malaysia} The British had say in some of these areas. I know pieces do move around.
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Hello Tim,
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Here are 2 examples showing the usual repair method nicely: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=14 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...7&postcount=25 Quote:
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Given the widespread collecting habits in the UK, this could have as likely originated from an US source rather than being acquired from areas formerly administrated by the British, I guess. Regards, Kai |
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I have to say they look pretty rough stuff compered to mine
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Could it be that Tim's repair is due to a forging flaw and subsequent loss of material in that area??
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Yes it is the same on both sides. I am not sure what age has to do with rough work
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