Hungarian almostkarabela

Valjhun · 27th August 2006, 11:20 AM

Is there anyone who thinks that sword to be original? Ebay 130018875023

Tim Simmons · 27th August 2006, 01:26 PM

Elements of this make me think it may well be a Sudanese version of this type sword. Late 19th century, quite interesting.

S.Al-Anizi · 27th August 2006, 01:34 PM

I agree with Tim, the crossguard is kaskara-ish. The blade looks like those trade blades commonly found on arabian saifs.

ariel · 27th August 2006, 02:04 PM

I have my doubts.
I see what you mean by "kaskara-ish" crossguard, but to me it looks more like a clumsy modern garage manufacture: ground shiny brass with fresh scratches all over and not smoothed by age and use. The fullers end too close to the point and the latter is also unnatural. The fullers look ground and clumsily so. The inscription "Frin" (Fringia?) was never finished. The entire blade was cleaned roughly and looks just poorly ground. The contour of the handle is strange, with an unnatural dip by the pommel, and the wood looks new.
My vote: a dog's breakfast of a sword, assembled from unrelated and heavily altered parts with the idea of an imitated old Islamic saber. And, if we want to be precise, the handle is not "karabela-ish" but "kilij-ish". Looks "fake-ish" and "cheap-ish"

27th August 2006, 11:20 AM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Hungarian almostkarabela Is there anyone who thinks that sword to be original? Ebay 130018875023

27th August 2006, 01:26 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Elements of this make me think it may well be a Sudanese version of this type sword. Late 19th century, quite interesting.

27th August 2006, 01:34 PM	#3
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	I agree with Tim, the crossguard is kaskara-ish. The blade looks like those trade blades commonly found on arabian saifs.

27th August 2006, 02:04 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I have my doubts. I see what you mean by "kaskara-ish" crossguard, but to me it looks more like a clumsy modern garage manufacture: ground shiny brass with fresh scratches all over and not smoothed by age and use. The fullers end too close to the point and the latter is also unnatural. The fullers look ground and clumsily so. The inscription "Frin" (Fringia?) was never finished. The entire blade was cleaned roughly and looks just poorly ground. The contour of the handle is strange, with an unnatural dip by the pommel, and the wood looks new. My vote: a dog's breakfast of a sword, assembled from unrelated and heavily altered parts with the idea of an imitated old Islamic saber. And, if we want to be precise, the handle is not "karabela-ish" but "kilij-ish". Looks "fake-ish" and "cheap-ish"