Celurit and an Arit Bendo (?)

[Sajen]

I've recently won a German online auction an Arit Bendo (I guess) and I strongly assume that it originates from Madura when I compare it with my Celurit which I got once from Willem. Both are weapons when I am not wrong, both are heavy items, the Celurit weighs 794 gram and the Arit Bendo 812 gram.
Any ideas and opinions?

[kino]

Congrats Sajen.
The one with the lighter colored wood looks wicked although I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of the other one.

Do you have photo(s) of these being carried by the people that they’re attributed to?

[A. G. Maisey]

Over the years I have had a lot of celurits from Madura, none have looked like the "arit" here, however, the obvious intent of this "arit" is as a weapon, thus it would be more correct to refer to it as "celurit" (often "clurit").

An arit is a tool, yes, certainly sometimes used as a weapon, but not made as a weapon.

I have not encountered the little metal knobs in the grip of both the celurit & the bendo, I have not encountered a bendo like this one in Madura.

The bendo is pretty general throughout Jawa but in Central Jawa it was in general use as a weapon in times past --- in Surakarta the Kraton used a giant bendo as an execution tool.

As to geographic point of origin, I cannot be certain because I have not ever seen an arit, celurit or bendo precisely the same as these two items under discussion, so my comment here is only a guess.

Taking into consideration the overall form of these two items & the ornamentation on the celurit, I am inclined to nominate East Jawa, say, roughly Ponorogo through to Jember & including north & south.

These celurits were highly favoured during the Merdeka struggles, the usual method of use was to round up the people identified for execution, line them up at the edge of a mass grave & cut their throats from behind with a celurit. Looking at this example of a celurit, I think the blade angle would probably suit this mode of use quite well.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by kino

Congrats Sajen.
The one with the lighter colored wood looks wicked although I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of the other one.

Do you have photo(s) of these being carried by the people that they’re attributed to?

Thank you Albert! Sadly I don't have such pictures!

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Over the years I have had a lot of celurits from Madura, none have looked like the "arit" here, however, the obvious intent of this "arit" is as a weapon, thus it would be more correct to refer to it as "celurit" (often "clurit").

An arit is a tool, yes, certainly sometimes used as a weapon, but not made as a weapon.

I have not encountered the little metal knobs in the grip of both the celurit & the bendo, I have not encountered a bendo like this one in Madura.

The bendo is pretty general throughout Jawa but in Central Jawa it was in general use as a weapon in times past --- in Surakarta the Kraton used a giant bendo as an execution tool.

As to geographic point of origin, I cannot be certain because I have not ever seen an arit, celurit or bendo precisely the same as these two items under discussion, so my comment here is only a guess.

Taking into consideration the overall form of these two items & the ornamentation on the celurit, I am inclined to nominate East Jawa, say, roughly Ponorogo through to Jember & including north & south.

These celurits were highly favoured during the Merdeka struggles, the usual method of use was to round up the people identified for execution, line them up at the edge of a mass grave & cut their throats from behind with a celurit. Looking at this example of a celurit, I think the blade angle would probably suit this mode of use quite well.

Thank you Alan! These brass knobs and pins in the handles of similar blades from Madura seems to be very common, see the attached pictures from celurits from the collection of RMV Leiden, a kudi tranchang from Tatyana and a celurit as well a Arit shown in "Steel And Magic", all this examples show these knobs and pins. And all can get attributed to Madura.
But if they are from Madura or East Java, who will be sure about this?The sword I have named "Arit Bendo" is indeed unusual and I am not aware of having seen a similar sword before. Name I have taken from the last picture.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Looks like somebody else has seen the little knobs, even if I have not, so that is probably good enough to hang "Madura" on it.

But we should remember that even though some information appears in a number of sources, all those sources might come back to the same root, & that root can be incorrect or misunderstood.

As for who can be certain about any identification of anything --- & I'm not only thinking weapons & tools here --- I would say nobody can be, the name of something can change from one side of the street to the other. That's the case in Jawa, it seems less so in Bali, but my knowledge of Bali is not as strong as my knowledge of Jawa. As for other places throughout the Archipelago, I lack the necessary experience to form too many definite opinions at all.

[Sajen]

I just got the information from a helpful Madurese man that what I called Arit Bendo is some sort of a Pelong. It's the Madurese term.
The Celurit is called in Madura Arek or Sadek.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Perhaps in this Madurese gentleman's part of Madura, Detlef, might be so.

However, the word "celurit" is in fact Madurese, and the Madurese language is one of the East Javanese dialects. The word "pelong" in East Javanese generally is, I believe a descriptor, & applied to a thing, model or pattern it means big or wide.

[Sajen]

Someone hint me to this page: https://nizarazof.wordpress.com/2017...s-from-madura/

Look also here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celurit

[A. G. Maisey]

I do have pretty strong family connections with Madura, but none of these people are the least bit interested in any sort of weaponry, they are more interested in making money.

Yes, once we get into rural parts of Madura it is common to see people, mostly farmers & other rural workers, walking around with an arit or celurit dangling from their hand --- just the same as Javanese farmers do. The handles of those arits & celurits are usually just plain, unadorned wood, no brass studs, no coloured twine binding. Sometimes they stick them into their belt at the back. The tool type arits come in various sizes & can be used for light garden trimming to splitting firewood.

During the troubles that were taking place in the mid-1960's, the Madurese in both Madura itself & in other parts of East Jawa were well known to line up the people whom they wish to rid themselves of and cut their throats from behind with a celurit. Here is a good outline of what was happening then:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indone...965%E2%80%9366

I was there in 1966, travelled across Jawa from Jakarta to Bali & back by bus, I did not see nor experience any of what was being reported as happening. I remember that I read about bodies floating down rivers and being fished out by local entrepreneurs who were looking for gold teeth to remove, I did see a few bodies on town rubbish dumps, but I saw this in Jawa Tengah a few times during the 1980's & '90's also.

Generally speaking, in the areas of East Jawa where there is a high proportion of Madurese people living, the Javanese & other ethnic groups tend to do their best to stay well clear of Madurese, they have a reputation for quick tempers & immediate & brutal response to perceived disrespect.

During the 1980's & 1990's I visited Sumenep & several other parts of Madura quite frequently, personally, I found Madurese people to be very hospitable, and I remember thinking back then that they were very similar to rural Australians in respect of their behaviour & values. I was quite comfortable with them, they acted & spoke in a very straightforward manner. The very best coffee I have ever tasted was served to me by a Madurese gentleman who lived in Sumenep.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, once we get into rural parts of Madura it is common to see people, mostly farmers & other rural workers, walking around with an arit or celurit dangling from their hand --- just the same as Javanese farmers do. The handles of those arits & celurits are usually just plain, unadorned wood, no brass studs, no coloured twine binding. Sometimes they stick them into their belt at the back. The tool type arits come in various sizes & can be used for light garden trimming to splitting firewood.

Hello Alan,

Yes, I know that still today farmers walk around with a celurit in hand or on their belt at the back. And yes, the handles are just plain wood, different from the look like the examples shown here.

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

During the troubles that were taking place in the mid-1960's, the Madurese in both Madura itself & in other parts of East Jawa were well known to line up the people whom they wish to rid themselves of and cut their throats from behind with a celurit. Here is a good outline of what was happening then:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indone...965%E2%80%9366

I've read and heard a lot about these troubles, scary story.

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Generally speaking, in the areas of East Jawa where there is a high proportion of Madurese people living, the Javanese & other ethnic groups tend to do their best to stay well clear of Madurese, they have a reputation for quick tempers & immediate & brutal response to perceived disrespect.

During the 1980's & 1990's I visited Sumenep & several other parts of Madura quite frequently, personally, I found Madurese people to be very hospitable, and I remember thinking back then that they were very similar to rural Australians in respect of their behaviour & values. I was quite comfortable with them, they acted & spoke in a very straightforward manner. The very best coffee I have ever tasted was served to me by a Madurese gentleman who lived in Sumenep.

At the time when I was freshly married with my wife the family was living in a perumahan in Sidoarjo, a city not far from Surabaja. When we visited the family I was in contact with an older gentleman from Madura living in Surabaja from whom I bought a lot of good keris which are partly still in my collection, a tough negotiating partner but a very nice person, later, when the family stayed a while on Bali and I had a room on Bali he visited me there and offered me his stuff.
And yes, Madurese people are feared by other population groups because of the behavior you described. And like you I only have very positive experiences with them.

Best regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Sidoarjo?

Hope you missed the Mud Flood.

Got a lot of family in Malang, & I used to stay in Malang and go down to Surabaya by bus & wander around the markets & wharves, it was a couple of hours down & back, a good day out, but the mud put an end to that. Interfered badly with krupuk supply for a while too --- minor thing the krupuk, but pretty inconvenient for many people.

They've got the tollway in place now, so the journey time is pretty much back to what it used to be, but that mud looks like its there forever. We all believed it was caused by the gas drilling, but apparently some scientists have now determined that it was actually triggered by an earthquake that occurred some distance away. In recent years there seems to have been a lot of these mud eruptions all over Jawa --- maybe not so much in West Jawa/Sunda, but certainly in East Jawa & Jawa Tengah.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Sidoarjo?

Hope you missed the Mud Flood.

Got a lot of family in Malang, & I used to stay in Malang and go down to Surabaya by bus & wander around the markets & wharves, it was a couple of hours down & back, a good day out, but the mud put an end to that. Interfered badly with krupuk supply for a while too --- minor thing the krupuk, but pretty inconvenient for many people.

They've got the tollway in place now, so the journey time is pretty much back to what it used to be, but that mud looks like its there forever. We all believed it was caused by the gas drilling, but apparently some scientists have now determined that it was actually triggered by an earthquake that occurred some distance away. In recent years there seems to have been a lot of these mud eruptions all over Jawa --- maybe not so much in West Jawa/Sunda, but certainly in East Jawa & Jawa Tengah.

It was the reason to sell the house in the perumahan and move to Bali. I wasn't to East Java anymore since the mud flood arise but was there many times before.
Malang was the city where I met Wofgang Spielmann the first time, long ago, in 1992.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Don't know if you've been back to Malang recently Detlef, but all that area has changed a lot in recent years. Used to be a nice little town, a bit elite, quiet, cool, a bit classy with echoes of the late colonial era --- like Toko Oen.

And the old market before some idiot thought it was a good idea to knock the old market down and build a modern edifice that the old traditional sellers could not afford to trade in.

Kamikaze becaks flying down Jln. Semeru, I used to get off at the top of the hill, they scared me sh*tless.

Anyway, all that oldtime stuff has gone, these days its wall to wall traffic jams. They've built an enormous mesjid there and since then the whole character of the place has disappeared.

I still need to visit from time to time, but I escape ASAP.

Even 1992 it was still OK, but the further back you go, the nicer it was. I was there first in about 1970 & frequently from about 1974. I loved the place. But no more.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Don't know if you've been back to Malang recently Detlef, but all that area has changed a lot in recent years. Used to be a nice little town, a bit elite, quiet, cool, a bit classy with echoes of the late colonial era --- like Toko Oen.

And the old market before some idiot thought it was a good idea to knock the old market down and build a modern edifice that the old traditional sellers could not afford to trade in.

Kamikaze becaks flying down Jln. Semeru, I used to get off at the top of the hill, they scared me sh*tless.

Anyway, all that oldtime stuff has gone, these days its wall to wall traffic jams. They've built an enormous mesjid there and since then the whole character of the place has disappeared.

I still need to visit from time to time, but I escape ASAP.

Even 1992 it was still OK, but the further back you go, the nicer it was. I was there first in about 1970 & frequently from about 1974. I loved the place. But no more.

No Alan, my visit there in 1992 was the only one. I have a very good memory of Malang, I felt very well there.
But do you know places where Indonesia has not changed a lot? At my first visit to Halmahera it was clean from plastic waste, two years later it was visible everywhere.

Best regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes, everything has changed everywhere, but some places have handled it better than other places.

Malang gets a "FAIL" mark.

One place that has changed really bad, bad, badly is South Bali. They have problems there that I sincerely doubt will ever be able to be fixed.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

One place that has changed really bad, bad, badly is South Bali. They have problems there that I sincerely doubt will ever be able to be fixed.

Agree complete with you!