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Hello,
Just got a very small Keris Sajen and I would like to learn more about it. Is it old, is it new? Is it valuable or just a tourist souvenir? Best regards, Marius |
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That is fairly small for a even a keris sajen, but certainly not unheard of. I always find age rather difficult to determine with this type of keris. They have been making them for hundreds of years and there aren't really many stylistic variations that can act as indicators to different time periods here. Yours does not look new, but exactly what time period it was made i will leave for others to determine. Keris sajen are talismanic blades of rather plain and simple design and i am not aware of them being all to popular in the tourist market were people tend to look for a little more bling to remember their trips by. I would certainly not consider this a tourist item.
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Its certainly not made as souvenir Marius, its probably not all that old, maybe early 20th century, but it is the real deal.
The very much older and enormously more expensive sajens are often able to be dated by the type of hat they are wearing --- after Islamic domination they sometimes wear a fez-like hat, in my personal collection, and pictured on my site, is one with a European hat, and interestingly the entire keris has been made in a reverse orientation. Sajens of this type are seldom seen and when they do become available they bring very big money. My guess is that what you have shown us is more likely to have been made as purely talismanic keris, rather than as an offering keris. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 18th April 2016 at 10:17 PM. Reason: spelling |
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Thank you very much for your very educative comments!
I am quite happy to hear the mini keris is traditionally made and "the real thing!" ![]() |
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Last edited by mariusgmioc; 18th April 2016 at 04:25 PM. |
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I saw the one with European hat (no. 14 on your site) and I guess it would be a Dutch hat. I still find it very odd and funny. ![]() |
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could it be that the blade is reshaped? Regards, Detlef |
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But if yes, then why and how (as I cannot see any signs of post-processing) - not that I am an expert in this. ![]() |
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here a keris sajen from my own collection, I get it very rusted with this eaten blade tip. It get cleaned with lemon acid and received a warangan. I know that it is common in Indonesia to reshape such rusted blades. It could happened by your keris sajen. Just a guess! ![]() Sorry for the poor pictures. Regards, Detlef |
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Yes, I see your point. Thank you for this very interesting information! ![]() |
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I don't know Detlef, in my book, anything is possible, the form of Marius' keris seems to me to be vaguely Bugis, maybe it was made like this in the first place, or as you suggest, somewhere, some time, somebody took a file to it.
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Hello Sajen an Alan,
Thank you for this very interesting discussion! If it is resahped, it definitely isn't simply mechacanically cut to shape as the blade bears absolutely no traces of mechanical machining. It appears formed like this from hot iron. ![]() |
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