signed Tsuba for comment

junker · 8th May 2010, 07:33 AM

Hello,
these is my first attempt in japanese art and to clasify a tsuba.
This is what i found out with my literature (of course it all can be false).
I hope you can comment.

styl: mokkogata
technic: Shoami school
age: ?
crest (mon): family Abe
picture: a ?? flower
inscription: ?

I am sure anyone will do it quite better than me.
I m not worried about hearing nothing of my guesses will be trus, so come on.
regards
Dirk

kisak · 9th May 2010, 12:04 PM

Is the decoration simply engraved and without the patination that covers the surface, or is it inlaid in gold or some such?

Also, is it really proper to call the Shoami school the technique? Wouldn't that rather be the artistic style/tradition that the design follows, with the technique being something else (such as "shallow line engraving" for example).

junker · 11th May 2010, 07:08 PM

Hello,
the decoration is slightly engraved in gold.
The inscription is much deeper, what makes me wonder, maybe this is later ?
How i told it is my first attempt
thanks so far
Dirk

pbleed · 12th May 2010, 12:55 AM

Dirk,
This is a very suspicious item. Mokko refers to 4-lobed so this is NOT mokko-gata. I also would have a hard time calling it Shoami -since it appears to be "soft metal." Actually it looks like brass. The signature is something like Bushu ju MasaSomething, siggesting that it was made in Musashi. BUT, I have a very hard time beleiving that a Japanese cut that signature. It just doesn't look "right."
This would be a good item to put on one or another of the Japanese sword forums.
Peter

junker · 15th May 2010, 08:21 PM

Thank you, and yes why is the signature much deeper than the decoartion ?.
May i can ask in a japanese forum, thanks for this idea.
Dirk

8th May 2010, 07:33 AM	#1
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	signed Tsuba for comment Hello, these is my first attempt in japanese art and to clasify a tsuba. This is what i found out with my literature (of course it all can be false). I hope you can comment. styl: mokkogata technic: Shoami school age: ? crest (mon): family Abe picture: a ?? flower inscription: ? I am sure anyone will do it quite better than me. I m not worried about hearing nothing of my guesses will be trus, so come on. regards Dirk Attached Images

11th May 2010, 07:08 PM	#3
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	decoration Hello, the decoration is slightly engraved in gold. The inscription is much deeper, what makes me wonder, maybe this is later ? How i told it is my first attempt thanks so far Dirk

12th May 2010, 12:55 AM	#4
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 88	signed tsuba Dirk, This is a very suspicious item. Mokko refers to 4-lobed so this is NOT mokko-gata. I also would have a hard time calling it Shoami -since it appears to be "soft metal." Actually it looks like brass. The signature is something like Bushu ju MasaSomething, siggesting that it was made in Musashi. BUT, I have a very hard time beleiving that a Japanese cut that signature. It just doesn't look "right." This would be a good item to put on one or another of the Japanese sword forums. Peter

9th May 2010, 12:04 PM	#2
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	Is the decoration simply engraved and without the patination that covers the surface, or is it inlaid in gold or some such? Also, is it really proper to call the Shoami school the technique? Wouldn't that rather be the artistic style/tradition that the design follows, with the technique being something else (such as "shallow line engraving" for example).

15th May 2010, 08:21 PM	#5
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Thank you, and yes why is the signature much deeper than the decoartion ?. May i can ask in a japanese forum, thanks for this idea. Dirk