Bj211 can you read this?

Alan62 · 28th March 2006, 02:42 AM

I do not mean to impose but you have shown some remarkable talents of translation and I have been trying to figure this on out for a while.If you can help I would greatly apreciate it.I also might impose on you for a few others if you don't mind
Thanks

Alam Shah · 28th March 2006, 03:49 AM

Alan62,
This is not Arabic, I don't think Bj211 can assist much.
It looks Thai or Indian......(I may be wrong).

Alan62 · 28th March 2006, 04:43 AM

Thank You Alam Shah
It is on a Tibetan Thanka, But I do not know what language they write in.
Just thought I would give it a try

Alam Shah · 28th March 2006, 04:48 AM

Alan62, no harm trying...

. Shucks... missed the mark.
BTW, could you post picture of the whole piece, please.

ham · 28th March 2006, 05:14 AM

That's Pagspa, they're Tibetan characters

HAm

Alan62 · 28th March 2006, 05:32 AM

Alam Shah Here is a couple of pics and Ham thank you I now have something to go research

bj211 · 28th March 2006, 07:59 AM

Dear Alen

No imposing at all..

I agree with ham… that's Pagspa, they're Tibetan characters..
I’m sorry my friend I’m afraid you need to show it to some expert in Asian languages to figure it out, since it’s a very nice piece artistically.

I’ll be glade to see other pieces and help in any way..

bj

Alam Shah · 28th March 2006, 08:04 AM

Dear bj211,

A belated welcome to the forum.

Your handiwork are very much appreciated. It's a joy reading your translations.
Keep up the good work.

eftihis · 28th March 2006, 12:30 PM

It is such a pleasure to see all these mysterious lines of inlay to reveal their secrets! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us!
ANy ideas on the inscription of the blade bellow? This must be a special style of calligraphy, can you read this one? It could be in Turkish language with arabic script.

Alan62 · 28th March 2006, 01:48 PM

Alam Shah what are your thoughts on the Thangka.

Bj211
Thank you I will keep trying to find an asian expert I appreciate your efforts,here is one of the others I mentioned.Forgive me if it is upside down I keep forgetting which way is up

Thanks again

wolviex · 28th March 2006, 04:51 PM

BJ211!
I admit that your work on deciphering the inscription in previous post was outstanding - fantastic work, those colors..., fonts... etc, everything is explained... just perfect!
But on the second hand I just started to sympathize you

. It seems to me that this thread already become and will be veeerry long wish list, and no doubt you will have occupation for the rest of your life

pssst. could you just check this forgotten thread? Thanks
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1858

Alam Shah · 29th March 2006, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan62

Alam Shah what are your thoughts on the Thangka.

Alan62, I think it's a, Palden Lhamo (Tibet) or Shri Devi (Sankrit) rides a mule arrayed with a bridle, human and tiger skin blankets and a skull pendant around its neck amidst a sea of blood. The mule's facing forward has a special significance, as it indicates the dynamic goddess moving toward a definite destination, accomplishing her mission of protecting the Buddha’s teaching, its institutions and practitioners. She holds a raised trident in her right hand and a skull cup filled with blood in her left. She wears a crown of five skulls, adorned by a crescent moon and a peacock feather finial, earrings, bracelets, and anklets. Her other fierce accoutrements include flaming hair, human skin, snake and skull ornaments. Flames and smoke spring forth from her robes, creating a fearsome aura.

Tangka or Thangka (a Tibetan word meaning "silk, satin or cloth painting scroll") have been in Tibet for centuries. In Tibetan, "tang" means "unfolding" or "displaying". Tangka is created with the intention of showing the painting art to the public.

The content of most Thangka is mainly the images of Buddha, or reflection of lift stories of eminent monks and folk customs. The structure of Tibet Thangka is precise, balanced, plumpy and changeful. The painting methods are mainly bright color and line drawing.

Imo only, I may be wrong.

Alan62 · 29th March 2006, 03:14 AM

Thanks Alam Shah
This is information I found that shows her on horseback riding across a sea of corpses and is like the one I have if you look closely at the one I have it has many of the same attributes as many on the linked page.It is confusing to me because there are so many depictions and they are very close.

I thought is was Palden Llamo at first and then I found the Magzor Gyalmo .That is what confuses me, The descriptions.

It is Palden Llamo and it is Magzor Gyalmo and Shri Devi and ect....ect... Here is another link I had saved from my searches.It is interesting that she is the only female among 8 dieties to protect ,but like I said it is very confusing as she seems to take on many forms.

Very interesting stuff, that is for sure and very detailed beautiful artwork

Thank you for your help

http://www.khandro.net/deities_female_PaldenLhamo.htm

http://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=358

bj211 · 29th March 2006, 04:55 PM

Hi eftihis,
Thankx a lot and I’m glad that you like it..
About this blade, I can’t really see any “ clear “ Arabic in there..
Maybe I’ll try to clean up the picture a bit, till I find something..
I’ll let you know if I get something out of it..

eftihis · 30th March 2006, 12:08 AM

Hallo bj211, it is not that i just like it, like everyone else here i am in a "fever" anxious to see the translations of pieces that i have, but also to see the items of other members to tell us their secrets. By the way what is the society you were telling about to Ham?
I am glad speaking to you!

bj211 · 30th March 2006, 04:10 AM

Hi Alin,

Its not upside down … You got it right

Alan62 · 30th March 2006, 04:23 AM

Thank You again Bj211

28th March 2006, 02:42 AM	#1
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Bj211 can you read this? I do not mean to impose but you have shown some remarkable talents of translation and I have been trying to figure this on out for a while.If you can help I would greatly apreciate it.I also might impose on you for a few others if you don't mind Thanks

28th March 2006, 03:49 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Alan62, This is not Arabic, I don't think Bj211 can assist much. It looks Thai or Indian......(I may be wrong). Last edited by Alam Shah; 28th March 2006 at 04:04 AM.

28th March 2006, 07:59 AM	#7
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	Dear Alen Dear Alen No imposing at all.. I agree with ham… that's Pagspa, they're Tibetan characters.. I’m sorry my friend I’m afraid you need to show it to some expert in Asian languages to figure it out, since it’s a very nice piece artistically. I’ll be glade to see other pieces and help in any way.. bj

28th March 2006, 12:30 PM	#9
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 507	Any ideas on this one? It is such a pleasure to see all these mysterious lines of inlay to reveal their secrets! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us! ANy ideas on the inscription of the blade bellow? This must be a special style of calligraphy, can you read this one? It could be in Turkish language with arabic script. Attached Images

29th March 2006, 03:14 AM	#13
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Thanks Alam Shah This is information I found that shows her on horseback riding across a sea of corpses and is like the one I have if you look closely at the one I have it has many of the same attributes as many on the linked page.It is confusing to me because there are so many depictions and they are very close. I thought is was Palden Llamo at first and then I found the Magzor Gyalmo .That is what confuses me, The descriptions. It is Palden Llamo and it is Magzor Gyalmo and Shri Devi and ect....ect... Here is another link I had saved from my searches.It is interesting that she is the only female among 8 dieties to protect ,but like I said it is very confusing as she seems to take on many forms. Very interesting stuff, that is for sure and very detailed beautiful artwork Thank you for your help http://www.khandro.net/deities_female_PaldenLhamo.htm http://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=358 Last edited by Alan62; 29th March 2006 at 05:33 AM.

28th March 2006, 04:43 AM	#3
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Thank You Alam Shah It is on a Tibetan Thanka, But I do not know what language they write in. Just thought I would give it a try

28th March 2006, 04:48 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Alan62, no harm trying... . Shucks... missed the mark. BTW, could you post picture of the whole piece, please.

28th March 2006, 05:14 AM	#5
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	That's Pagspa, they're Tibetan characters HAm

28th March 2006, 05:32 AM	#6
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Alam Shah Here is a couple of pics and Ham thank you I now have something to go research

28th March 2006, 08:04 AM	#8
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Dear bj211, A belated welcome to the forum. Your handiwork are very much appreciated. It's a joy reading your translations. Keep up the good work.

28th March 2006, 01:48 PM	#10
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Alam Shah what are your thoughts on the Thangka. Bj211 Thank you I will keep trying to find an asian expert I appreciate your efforts,here is one of the others I mentioned.Forgive me if it is upside down I keep forgetting which way is up Thanks again

28th March 2006, 04:51 PM	#11
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	BJ211! I admit that your work on deciphering the inscription in previous post was outstanding - fantastic work, those colors..., fonts... etc, everything is explained... just perfect! But on the second hand I just started to sympathize you . It seems to me that this thread already become and will be veeerry long wish list, and no doubt you will have occupation for the rest of your life pssst. could you just check this forgotten thread? Thanks http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1858

29th March 2006, 04:55 PM	#14
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	Hi eftihis, Thankx a lot and I’m glad that you like it.. About this blade, I can’t really see any “ clear “ Arabic in there.. Maybe I’ll try to clean up the picture a bit, till I find something.. I’ll let you know if I get something out of it..

30th March 2006, 12:08 AM	#15
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 507	Hallo bj211, it is not that i just like it, like everyone else here i am in a "fever" anxious to see the translations of pieces that i have, but also to see the items of other members to tell us their secrets. By the way what is the society you were telling about to Ham? I am glad speaking to you!

30th March 2006, 04:10 AM	#16
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	Hi Alin, Its not upside down … You got it right Attached Images

30th March 2006, 04:23 AM	#17
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Thank You again Bj211