Mysterious shord sword - kama

Norman McCormick · 20th February 2010, 02:52 PM

Hi Buendia,
Cartouche.
Regards,
Norman.

ward · 20th February 2010, 08:14 PM

Pretty sure its Georgian, native speak can confirm it

buendia · 21st February 2010, 02:14 AM

Thank you very much for your information. I was really convinced of its Persian origin.
I have checked both georgian and armenian alphabets -
looking at the cartouche placed in this position:

the cartouche would yield the armenian letters YKB or possibly YLB. The letter in the middle was not 100% identical with contemporary letters.

In georgian alphabet the first letter would be identified as V, but I was not able to identify the rest 2 letters.

What could these letters mean?
Initials of the maker?

buendia · 25th February 2010, 01:45 PM

Since it comes from Caucasus shouldn`t it be called kindjal instead of kama?

ariel · 26th February 2010, 03:38 AM

Well, not exactly :-)
In Georgia and most of Daghestan it is Khanjali ( with minor variations).
In Chechnya/Ingushetiya it is Shalta
In Chircassia and Ossetia it is Kama
There are smaller nationalities as well, and there it varies between Shalta and Kama.

I do not know what it is called in Armenian

ward · 26th February 2010, 04:08 AM

I do not know what it is called in Armenian[/QUOTE]

I heard "khanjul" but there are different dialects

20th February 2010, 02:52 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,650	Hi Buendia, Cartouche. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

20th February 2010, 08:14 PM	#2
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Pretty sure its Georgian, native speak can confirm it

21st February 2010, 02:14 AM	#3
buendia Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Silesia, Poland Posts: 41	Thank you very much for your information. I was really convinced of its Persian origin. I have checked both georgian and armenian alphabets - looking at the cartouche placed in this position: the cartouche would yield the armenian letters YKB or possibly YLB. The letter in the middle was not 100% identical with contemporary letters. In georgian alphabet the first letter would be identified as V, but I was not able to identify the rest 2 letters. What could these letters mean? Initials of the maker?

25th February 2010, 01:45 PM	#4
buendia Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Silesia, Poland Posts: 41	Since it comes from Caucasus shouldn`t it be called kindjal instead of kama?

26th February 2010, 03:38 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, not exactly :-) In Georgia and most of Daghestan it is Khanjali ( with minor variations). In Chechnya/Ingushetiya it is Shalta In Chircassia and Ossetia it is Kama There are smaller nationalities as well, and there it varies between Shalta and Kama. I do not know what it is called in Armenian

26th February 2010, 04:08 AM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	I do not know what it is called in Armenian[/QUOTE] I heard "khanjul" but there are different dialects