keris Lombok

Rick · 26th January 2010, 04:54 PM

Dear Mamat,

You have posted these kerises with painstaking descriptions and measurements .

You did not ask for comments or have any questions; in fact the original post seemed more like an advertisement (in my opinion) than an opening for discussion .

Can you please clarify ??

David · 26th January 2010, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Dear Mamat,

You have posted these kerises with painstaking descriptions and measurements .

You did not ask for comments or have any questions; in fact the original post seemed more like an advertisement (in my opinion) than an opening for discussion .

Can you please clarify ??

Ah Rick, i see that as usual great minds think alike.

Yes Mamat, please clarify.

GIO · 26th January 2010, 06:36 PM

Thanks David. Interesting remarks.

Mamat Lombok · 26th January 2010, 06:47 PM

dear all ,

thank you for the respons...
i post the pic's and also little description of the kerisses (blade) and the material of the sheaths cause i really wanna share to the forum.especially about LOMBOK KERISSES.
however lombok kerisses are influence by balinesse...but if we look at the sheath (TULANG PAOK /lombok) ,we will see the diferences between LOMBOK and Balinesse (BATUN POH).
and the KOJONGAN sheath ; i believe (at least as far as i know),we only can find it in lombok.
i am so sorry about my english.

Rick · 26th January 2010, 06:51 PM

Thanks for clearing that up Mamat .

Mamat Lombok · 26th January 2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Thanks for clearing that up Mamat .

Hi Rick ,
actually i really want to give the explanation about the keris (LOMBOK).
but it's very hard for me to do that in english.
thank you.

guwaya · 27th January 2010, 12:04 AM

however lombok kerisses are influence by balinesse...but if we look at the sheath (TULANG PAOK /lombok) ,we will see the diferences between LOMBOK and Balinesse (BATUN POH).
and the KOJONGAN sheath ; i believe (at least as far as i know),we only can find it in lombok.
i am so sorry about my english.[/QUOTE]

Hello,

After my knowledge and my experience I think there are no real Lombok keris. 20 years ago when keris where offered to me at Lombok it was always in the western region where the Balinese communities are. Looking to the blade and without having any sheath or hilt I would not be berani to decide if it is a Balinese blade or if it is a Lombok blade (whatever this might be).

The polishing or not polishing of a blade doesn't say anything nowadays about the origin. As already remarked old blades from the Balinese comunity on Lombok are newly washed and possibly not polished again. The newly made blades nowadays - mostly by Madurese people - are most often polished.

To take the sheath or the hilt as an indication for attributing a keris to Bali or Lombok in my eyes is not a serious way as these attributions can be changed easily and are changed whenever wanted.

In my eyes the lots of "Lombok keris" on the market now is a dealers' concept same to the lots of Sumbawa keris.

If I stepped on someone's feet here with my short statement I apologize for that in advance but this is the way I see the situation.

David · 27th January 2010, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by guwaya

The newly made blades nowadays - mostly by Madurese people - are most often polished.

This is true, but from my experience they don't do it correctly and it is usually pretty easy to tell the difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by guwaya

In my eyes the lots of "Lombok keris" on the market now is a dealers' concept same to the lots of Sumbawa keris.

I can understand your feeling on this, but i have seen enough keris blades that are obviously related to the Bali "family" of keris that just don't fit into the Bali "pakem" that i feel it is more than likely that there are indeed keris of Lombok origin that have their own small differences.
I certainly agree that the manner of dress can never assure the origin of a blade.
Are you suggesting that there was never any keris forging centers in Lombok or that those centers if they did exist were only in Balinese communities existing in Lombok?

guwaya · 27th January 2010, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

This is true, but from my experience they don't do it correctly and it is usually pretty easy to tell the difference.

I can understand your feeling on this, but i have seen enough keris blades that are obviously related to the Bali "family" of keris that just don't fit into the Bali "pakem" that i feel it is more than likely that there are indeed keris of Lombok origin that have their own small differences.
I certainly agree that the manner of dress can never assure the origin of a blade.
Are you suggesting that there was never any keris forging centers in Lombok or that those centers if they did exist were only in Balinese communities existing in Lombok?

"This is true, but from my experience they don't do it correctly and it is usually pretty easy to tell the difference."

I agree with you as it is also with many newly made ones from Balinese people as they are working with a flex now to make the greneng and do the polishing.

"Are you suggesting that there was never any keris forging centers in Lombok or that those centers if they did exist were only in Balinese communities existing in Lombok?"

This is my assumption mostly based on the arabic derivation of the Sasak, but I have no proof for it - just an assumption. For any further going explanations I would be thankful.

26th January 2010, 06:36 PM	#3
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 329	Keris Lombok Thanks David. Interesting remarks.

26th January 2010, 04:54 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Dear Mamat, You have posted these kerises with painstaking descriptions and measurements . You did not ask for comments or have any questions; in fact the original post seemed more like an advertisement (in my opinion) than an opening for discussion . Can you please clarify ??

26th January 2010, 06:47 PM	#4
Mamat Lombok Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: lombok-indonesia Posts: 66	dear all , thank you for the respons... i post the pic's and also little description of the kerisses (blade) and the material of the sheaths cause i really wanna share to the forum.especially about LOMBOK KERISSES. however lombok kerisses are influence by balinesse...but if we look at the sheath (TULANG PAOK /lombok) ,we will see the diferences between LOMBOK and Balinesse (BATUN POH). and the KOJONGAN sheath ; i believe (at least as far as i know),we only can find it in lombok. i am so sorry about my english.

26th January 2010, 06:51 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Thanks for clearing that up Mamat .

27th January 2010, 12:04 AM	#7
guwaya Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 45	however lombok kerisses are influence by balinesse...but if we look at the sheath (TULANG PAOK /lombok) ,we will see the diferences between LOMBOK and Balinesse (BATUN POH). and the KOJONGAN sheath ; i believe (at least as far as i know),we only can find it in lombok. i am so sorry about my english.[/QUOTE] Hello, After my knowledge and my experience I think there are no real Lombok keris. 20 years ago when keris where offered to me at Lombok it was always in the western region where the Balinese communities are. Looking to the blade and without having any sheath or hilt I would not be berani to decide if it is a Balinese blade or if it is a Lombok blade (whatever this might be). The polishing or not polishing of a blade doesn't say anything nowadays about the origin. As already remarked old blades from the Balinese comunity on Lombok are newly washed and possibly not polished again. The newly made blades nowadays - mostly by Madurese people - are most often polished. To take the sheath or the hilt as an indication for attributing a keris to Bali or Lombok in my eyes is not a serious way as these attributions can be changed easily and are changed whenever wanted. In my eyes the lots of "Lombok keris" on the market now is a dealers' concept same to the lots of Sumbawa keris. If I stepped on someone's feet here with my short statement I apologize for that in advance but this is the way I see the situation.