turkish ottoman officers sword writing

erlikhan · 18th January 2010, 09:11 PM

Hi. it is a ww1 period Turkish military sword. i know it as not infantry but artillery officers sword.They were produced in several (at least 3) different lengths with the same scabbards and hilt,and with differing steel qualities. Plus,there are a few models more,which were not produced in Turkey but imported from Germany ,having blades with German maker marks. All of them were straight. However,only once I met a sample with curved,strong blade, again with the same hilt model and the same inscription. Perhaps was a private order.. I dont read Arabic alphabet,but as far as I know the inscription writes "Allah bizimledir" in Turkish meaning "Allah(God) is with us".

regards

katana · 1st February 2010, 01:58 PM

Hi Mavi,
have now got the Turkish officers sword I mentioned earlier. Good quality steel and a horn handle. I have posted this on the European Armoury Forum, in case you are interested

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...6572#post96572

Regards David

mavi1970 · 6th February 2010, 01:01 PM

David,

nice sword, congrats on your purchase. there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now. I wonder if your blade will clean, but you are lucky with the rhino handle, mine is wood, but the blade is still shiny with no pits. i am lucky in that regard.
enjoy

katana · 7th February 2010, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavi1970

........ there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now.....

Hi Mavi,
thank you for your comments

I get the impression (from you) that these swords are no longer 'plentiful'. If this is the case.....do you have any idea why ?
Was this the sword you were refering to.......
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Regards David

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mavi1970 · 10th February 2010, 01:08 AM

Yes,
that was the sword I was referring too. Reasonable price. I had not seen many for sale for years, then in the last bit there has been quite a few for sale. Could be the economy. Still after that elusive ottoman/turkish kilij I want, but have not been able to afford, and probablyu never can.

Lee · 25th August 2010, 05:32 PM

Received by e-mail:

Salaam,
This is Efdaluddin Kilic from Istanbul. I am a calligrapher and sort of expert on Ottoman texts. I have been asked about a sword this morning by one of my friends and while searching I came across with your website. The same sword on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11300 is in front of me at home now. And to be a sort of help to your forum the inscription reads in Turkish but with the Islamic letters ¨ ALLAH BIZIMLE¨ and means ¨Allah (God) is with us¨.
Cordially,
Efdaluddin Kilic
www.efdaluddin.com/

broadaxe · 28th August 2010, 12:43 PM

Interesting enough and good that the subject emerged again. I received an identical sword for research and identification a couple of days ago. Same marks, full double edge blade is 17" long and of pretty good quality. It is very sharp, not the regular arsenal edge. I've encountered several WWI-era turkish military swords, also curved - these were usualy very similar to the German officer's saber of the period, but of inferior quality. I also held naval short sword with marine motifs. That straight sword may have been also police issue, 1910 model.

25th August 2010, 05:32 PM	#6
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 932	Help from Istanbul Received by e-mail: Salaam, This is Efdaluddin Kilic from Istanbul. I am a calligrapher and sort of expert on Ottoman texts. I have been asked about a sword this morning by one of my friends and while searching I came across with your website. The same sword on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11300 is in front of me at home now. And to be a sort of help to your forum the inscription reads in Turkish but with the Islamic letters ¨ ALLAH BIZIMLE¨ and means ¨Allah (God) is with us¨. Cordially, Efdaluddin Kilic www.efdaluddin.com/

18th January 2010, 09:11 PM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Hi. it is a ww1 period Turkish military sword. i know it as not infantry but artillery officers sword.They were produced in several (at least 3) different lengths with the same scabbards and hilt,and with differing steel qualities. Plus,there are a few models more,which were not produced in Turkey but imported from Germany ,having blades with German maker marks. All of them were straight. However,only once I met a sample with curved,strong blade, again with the same hilt model and the same inscription. Perhaps was a private order.. I dont read Arabic alphabet,but as far as I know the inscription writes "Allah bizimledir" in Turkish meaning "Allah(God) is with us". regards

1st February 2010, 01:58 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Mavi, have now got the Turkish officers sword I mentioned earlier. Good quality steel and a horn handle. I have posted this on the European Armoury Forum, in case you are interested http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...6572#post96572 Regards David

6th February 2010, 01:01 PM	#3
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	David, nice sword, congrats on your purchase. there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now. I wonder if your blade will clean, but you are lucky with the rhino handle, mine is wood, but the blade is still shiny with no pits. i am lucky in that regard. enjoy

10th February 2010, 01:08 AM	#5
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	Yes, that was the sword I was referring too. Reasonable price. I had not seen many for sale for years, then in the last bit there has been quite a few for sale. Could be the economy. Still after that elusive ottoman/turkish kilij I want, but have not been able to afford, and probablyu never can.

28th August 2010, 12:43 PM	#7
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Interesting enough and good that the subject emerged again. I received an identical sword for research and identification a couple of days ago. Same marks, full double edge blade is 17" long and of pretty good quality. It is very sharp, not the regular arsenal edge. I've encountered several WWI-era turkish military swords, also curved - these were usualy very similar to the German officer's saber of the period, but of inferior quality. I also held naval short sword with marine motifs. That straight sword may have been also police issue, 1910 model.