Bebut sword

ariel · 4th January 2010, 08:56 AM

Better pics of the stamps on the blade and the scabbard would help. Check the leather: old and damaged vs. artificially aged, the blade ( too intact for a WWI weapon?) and the handle ( old wood vs. new staining).
99% of bebuts these days are made in India and China.
Sorry for the jaded view, but the contemporary market is brutal.

TKV · 4th January 2010, 02:49 PM

I think original item. M1907 type I.

ariel · 4th January 2010, 05:19 PM

Hope you are correct, but how can one be sure without decent pics of the stamps? I, for one, cannot read the inscriptions at all.

klewang · 4th January 2010, 05:40 PM

These are military issued? And were weapons like this standard issued with these kind of scabbards?
The scabbard looks a bit like a modified and shortened klewang (the Dutch military ones) version.

regards

TKV · 4th January 2010, 07:06 PM

These were officially issued by Zlatoust (most of them), Izhevsk (bow and arrow mark) and Artinsk russian weapons' factories.

TKV · 4th January 2010, 07:08 PM

2 Ariel: chinese and indian fakes are very bright and clean, and item's blade has original patina.

ariel · 4th January 2010, 11:32 PM

Aging steel blade is a piece of cake, they do it all the time.
You might be 100% right, but - no disrespect ! - I want to see the markings.
One thing is already making my antennae twitch: no markings on the upper scabbard fitting.

If I were the owner, I'd send good pics to a russian forum: some of these guys are incredibly knowledgeable and frightfully paranoid ( from daily exposure to bitter reality).

4th January 2010, 08:56 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Better pics of the stamps on the blade and the scabbard would help. Check the leather: old and damaged vs. artificially aged, the blade ( too intact for a WWI weapon?) and the handle ( old wood vs. new staining). 99% of bebuts these days are made in India and China. Sorry for the jaded view, but the contemporary market is brutal.

4th January 2010, 02:49 PM	#2
TKV Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 32	I think original item. M1907 type I.

4th January 2010, 05:19 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Hope you are correct, but how can one be sure without decent pics of the stamps? I, for one, cannot read the inscriptions at all.

4th January 2010, 05:40 PM	#4
klewang Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 23	These are military issued? And were weapons like this standard issued with these kind of scabbards? The scabbard looks a bit like a modified and shortened klewang (the Dutch military ones) version. regards

4th January 2010, 07:06 PM	#5
TKV Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 32	These were officially issued by Zlatoust (most of them), Izhevsk (bow and arrow mark) and Artinsk russian weapons' factories.

4th January 2010, 07:08 PM	#6
TKV Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 32	2 Ariel: chinese and indian fakes are very bright and clean, and item's blade has original patina.

4th January 2010, 11:32 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Aging steel blade is a piece of cake, they do it all the time. You might be 100% right, but - no disrespect ! - I want to see the markings. One thing is already making my antennae twitch: no markings on the upper scabbard fitting. If I were the owner, I'd send good pics to a russian forum: some of these guys are incredibly knowledgeable and frightfully paranoid ( from daily exposure to bitter reality).