swords of Mohammed, but what about...

Radu Transylvanicus · 15th December 2004, 08:39 PM

* Caveat Emptor : I have a feeling this could easily turn the wrong direction if we dont stick strictly to the armorial science !

erlikhan · 15th December 2004, 09:36 PM

Rivkin, Muhammed was not killed at all. He got old and died at age 62. And Zulfikar was not Muhammed's sword. It was Ali's sword, who was Muhammed's relative, and became Caliph(leader of Muslems) sometime after Muhammed's death. He was assasinated by an Arab from an opponent group called "Harici". By a poisonous sword as far as I remember. I dont know anything about the armor-Jew point.
regards

Jens Nordlunde · 15th December 2004, 09:46 PM

I agree very much with Radu, I think it is best left where we are now.

Jens

Andrew · 15th December 2004, 10:16 PM

I'm happy to leave this thread open provided the topic can be discussed appropriately.

To do that, Rivkin, you might consider providing a source for your premise.

Rivkin · 16th December 2004, 03:16 AM

Ok, I'm sorry if I insulted anyone - probably I just misunderstood something:
"Hadith 4:165 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle died while his (iron) armor was mortgaged to a Jew for thirty Sas of barley."

Sorry if I misunderstood the meaning. Concerning Zulfakar - I always thought Ali got it from Mohammed.

Rivkin · 16th December 2004, 03:22 AM

Now I remembered where I've got this idea. The lesson I remember was starting with how different people tried to kill Mohammed, and ended with this one (even trhough I don't remember what was in the middle), so it somehow all connected in my head.

Battara · 16th December 2004, 11:46 AM

Every so often one will find a bifurcated sword design in inlay or cloth on a banner that represents the sword of Ali. If I can find my picture of one in the MET I will post it.

15th December 2004, 08:39 PM	#1
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	* Caveat Emptor : I have a feeling this could easily turn the wrong direction if we dont stick strictly to the armorial science !

15th December 2004, 09:36 PM	#2
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Rivkin, Muhammed was not killed at all. He got old and died at age 62. And Zulfikar was not Muhammed's sword. It was Ali's sword, who was Muhammed's relative, and became Caliph(leader of Muslems) sometime after Muhammed's death. He was assasinated by an Arab from an opponent group called "Harici". By a poisonous sword as far as I remember. I dont know anything about the armor-Jew point. regards

15th December 2004, 09:46 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I agree very much with Radu, I think it is best left where we are now. Jens

15th December 2004, 10:16 PM	#4
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I'm happy to leave this thread open provided the topic can be discussed appropriately. To do that, Rivkin, you might consider providing a source for your premise.

16th December 2004, 03:16 AM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Ok, I'm sorry if I insulted anyone - probably I just misunderstood something: "Hadith 4:165 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle died while his (iron) armor was mortgaged to a Jew for thirty Sas of barley." Sorry if I misunderstood the meaning. Concerning Zulfakar - I always thought Ali got it from Mohammed.

16th December 2004, 03:22 AM	#6
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Now I remembered where I've got this idea. The lesson I remember was starting with how different people tried to kill Mohammed, and ended with this one (even trhough I don't remember what was in the middle), so it somehow all connected in my head.

16th December 2004, 11:46 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Every so often one will find a bifurcated sword design in inlay or cloth on a banner that represents the sword of Ali. If I can find my picture of one in the MET I will post it.