New Arrival / comments wanted

asomotif · 10th December 2009, 08:20 PM

Take a look at the peksi. that might tell you if a ganja is missing.

A. G. Maisey · 10th December 2009, 09:17 PM

How do we identify the hilt material as hippo ivory?

Is there documented evidence of trade in hippo ivory between Malaysia and the regions where hippo are found?

These are serious questions. I simply do not know the answers.

danny1976 · 10th December 2009, 09:26 PM

Okey let,s say the hilt is no hippo . someone has a idea what it could be than ?

Mr Maisy . do you have a opinion over the blade ?

Ganja iras or..?

A. G. Maisey · 10th December 2009, 09:39 PM

Re the hilt Danny, I do not have any idea what it might be. If you have followed our hilt material guessing games you will understand that it can sometimes be pretty difficult to say with any certainty what material a hilt might be from. More often than not I don't get involved in these guessing games.

Re the blade, from the photos I don't think that this is a gonjo iras blade.The proportion seems wrong for gonjo iras, and in a gonjo iras blade the gonjo is usually indicated by a line in the place where we would normally find a joint.

If you remove the hilt and have a look at the tang (pesi) you may be able to gain some indication as to whether a gonjo was ever fitted, or not, but even this inspection may not provide positive evidence one way or the other. If you find a slightly larger diameter in the tang immediately above the blade base, it is very probable that a gonjo was once fitted that has now been lost.However, the absence of this increased diameter is no gaurantee that a gonjo was never fitted.

A better indication might be to look at the width of the blade base. When you remove the hilt, I suggest that you post a photo looking down directly onto the blade base.

A. G. Maisey · 10th December 2009, 09:40 PM

Thanks Gustav.

danny1976 · 10th December 2009, 10:21 PM

Thanks gustav for the explain on hipo hilts. I think it still will be a quistion if this hilt is hippo or not?

Mr Maisi.

I will make photo,s this weekend wihout the hilt.

How about the pamor and the origin , malay ?

Sajen · 11th December 2009, 02:22 AM

Danny and Gustav are correct, the hilt is very old hippo ivory. Tomorrow I will show a other hilt and how you can indicate hippo ivory, Gustav give already the right direction. Lines with small black dots is the best sign for hippo ivory.

sajen

Gustav · 10th December 2009, 09:31 PM

Hippo-ivory often (always?) has a fine line of small dots, dense structure and gets not so dark with time. This hilt has something like this line of dots, at the base it turned to a crack, but visible on the head and the inner side(and looks a little bit strange).

The source may be the bugis trade with East Africa.

I suppose, the blade has lost the gonjo.

10th December 2009, 08:20 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Take a look at the peksi. that might tell you if a ganja is missing.

10th December 2009, 09:17 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	How do we identify the hilt material as hippo ivory? Is there documented evidence of trade in hippo ivory between Malaysia and the regions where hippo are found? These are serious questions. I simply do not know the answers.

10th December 2009, 09:26 PM	#3
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Okey let,s say the hilt is no hippo . someone has a idea what it could be than ? Mr Maisy . do you have a opinion over the blade ? Ganja iras or..?

10th December 2009, 09:39 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Re the hilt Danny, I do not have any idea what it might be. If you have followed our hilt material guessing games you will understand that it can sometimes be pretty difficult to say with any certainty what material a hilt might be from. More often than not I don't get involved in these guessing games. Re the blade, from the photos I don't think that this is a gonjo iras blade.The proportion seems wrong for gonjo iras, and in a gonjo iras blade the gonjo is usually indicated by a line in the place where we would normally find a joint. If you remove the hilt and have a look at the tang (pesi) you may be able to gain some indication as to whether a gonjo was ever fitted, or not, but even this inspection may not provide positive evidence one way or the other. If you find a slightly larger diameter in the tang immediately above the blade base, it is very probable that a gonjo was once fitted that has now been lost.However, the absence of this increased diameter is no gaurantee that a gonjo was never fitted. A better indication might be to look at the width of the blade base. When you remove the hilt, I suggest that you post a photo looking down directly onto the blade base.

10th December 2009, 09:40 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks Gustav.

10th December 2009, 10:21 PM	#6
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Thanks gustav for the explain on hipo hilts. I think it still will be a quistion if this hilt is hippo or not? Mr Maisi. I will make photo,s this weekend wihout the hilt. How about the pamor and the origin , malay ?

11th December 2009, 02:22 AM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Danny and Gustav are correct, the hilt is very old hippo ivory. Tomorrow I will show a other hilt and how you can indicate hippo ivory, Gustav give already the right direction. Lines with small black dots is the best sign for hippo ivory. sajen

10th December 2009, 09:31 PM	#8
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Hippo-ivory often (always?) has a fine line of small dots, dense structure and gets not so dark with time. This hilt has something like this line of dots, at the base it turned to a crack, but visible on the head and the inner side(and looks a little bit strange). The source may be the bugis trade with East Africa. I suppose, the blade has lost the gonjo.