Since it is a helmet kind of day, what do you make of this?

Aqtai · 18th May 2005, 10:24 PM

The top half of that helmet does look very like a Turkish or Iranian 'Turban helmet'.

I'm sure I have seen a helmet in Royal Armouries in Leeds which was found in Sudan, and was being worn in the 19th century, but was actually a 15th century Mamluk 'shishak'. I'm sure I have a photo of it somewhere.

B.I · 18th May 2005, 10:41 PM

the royal armouries does indeed have a sudanese armour with an early ottoman helmet, but was trying not to divert this post into turkish arms.
there was also one in the paris exhibition/sale in 1998 (with a 16thC bowl) which was taken at the battle of omdurman on sept 2nd, 1898. the ottoman influence was still heavy into the 19thC, but i know there must be more examples more like ricks helmet in existance (but unfortunatley not in my library).
was spring the only one to cover african armour?
the manafacture was always crude, but of a standard form. i'm not too familiar with complete copper examples, although i have seen copper elements.

18th May 2005, 10:24 PM	#1
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	The top half of that helmet does look very like a Turkish or Iranian 'Turban helmet'. I'm sure I have seen a helmet in Royal Armouries in Leeds which was found in Sudan, and was being worn in the 19th century, but was actually a 15th century Mamluk 'shishak'. I'm sure I have a photo of it somewhere.

18th May 2005, 10:41 PM	#2
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	the royal armouries does indeed have a sudanese armour with an early ottoman helmet, but was trying not to divert this post into turkish arms. there was also one in the paris exhibition/sale in 1998 (with a 16thC bowl) which was taken at the battle of omdurman on sept 2nd, 1898. the ottoman influence was still heavy into the 19thC, but i know there must be more examples more like ricks helmet in existance (but unfortunatley not in my library). was spring the only one to cover african armour? the manafacture was always crude, but of a standard form. i'm not too familiar with complete copper examples, although i have seen copper elements.