pamor for comment

David · 30th November 2009, 08:04 PM

That is indeed a nice keris board Sirek and the carving of hilt and sheath appears nice.
I think the idea that everything is possible these days in the keris world might have some truth to it, but for many the idea that anything goes is not always so valid.

In other worlds many collectors are still seeking keris that maintain a certain amount of integrity and adhere to the parameters of what a "real" keris is and are seeking keris that fall into one of the established "pakems" even if they are newly made contemporary blades. New invention in the keris world is not particularly well received by the collectoring community, sometimes, IMO, for good reason.
What i think the makers of your keris were doing was to provide a post-forging short-cut to the effect of pamor Udan Mas (golden rain). I have attached an image of what this might look like when actually done as a pamor pattern. This is not nearly the best example of this pamor's execution, just the most representational example i could find on the web at short notice to show you what this design looks like as a pamor pattern.

sirek · 30th November 2009, 09:18 PM

David I understand what you want to say,

In my collection I have a keris with a similar pattern ( but 'm not sure of the name of the pamor).

Rick · 30th November 2009, 09:42 PM

Do you have any keris books, Sirek ?

A. G. Maisey · 30th November 2009, 09:49 PM

This is pamor bonang rinenteng.

Marcokeris · 1st December 2009, 07:05 AM

or gamelan pamor too

sirek · 1st December 2009, 07:21 AM

the last year I've purchased some books,

but I must admit that I find it some times very difficult to recognize the right pamor.

often its only a unclear drawing

thats one of the reasons why I wanted to join this forum to learn the proper names,

and I appreciate very much the comments I get from you all

A. G. Maisey · 1st December 2009, 09:14 AM

Yes, the bonang is a gamelan instrument , and this pamor can be called bonang, or bonang rinenteng, or bonang sirenteng, or bonang sarenteng, or bonang rentengan, but we cannot call it "pamor gamelan".

Marcokeris · 1st December 2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, the bonang is a gamelan instrument , and this pamor can be called bonang, or bonang rinenteng, or bonang sirenteng, or bonang sarenteng, or bonang rentengan, but we cannot call it "pamor gamelan".

yes teacher

30th November 2009, 08:04 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	That is indeed a nice keris board Sirek and the carving of hilt and sheath appears nice. I think the idea that everything is possible these days in the keris world might have some truth to it, but for many the idea that anything goes is not always so valid. In other worlds many collectors are still seeking keris that maintain a certain amount of integrity and adhere to the parameters of what a "real" keris is and are seeking keris that fall into one of the established "pakems" even if they are newly made contemporary blades. New invention in the keris world is not particularly well received by the collectoring community, sometimes, IMO, for good reason. What i think the makers of your keris were doing was to provide a post-forging short-cut to the effect of pamor Udan Mas (golden rain). I have attached an image of what this might look like when actually done as a pamor pattern. This is not nearly the best example of this pamor's execution, just the most representational example i could find on the web at short notice to show you what this design looks like as a pamor pattern. Attached Images

30th November 2009, 09:18 PM	#2
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	David I understand what you want to say, In my collection I have a keris with a similar pattern ( but 'm not sure of the name of the pamor). Attached Images

30th November 2009, 09:42 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Do you have any keris books, Sirek ?

30th November 2009, 09:49 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	This is pamor bonang rinenteng.

1st December 2009, 07:05 AM	#5
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	or gamelan pamor too

1st December 2009, 07:21 AM	#6
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	the last year I've purchased some books, but I must admit that I find it some times very difficult to recognize the right pamor. often its only a unclear drawing thats one of the reasons why I wanted to join this forum to learn the proper names, and I appreciate very much the comments I get from you all

1st December 2009, 09:14 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes, the bonang is a gamelan instrument , and this pamor can be called bonang, or bonang rinenteng, or bonang sirenteng, or bonang sarenteng, or bonang rentengan, but we cannot call it "pamor gamelan".