Turkish Yatagan. Need help, translate the text.

[Dom]

Originally Posted by TVV

Dom, could it be Aga instead of Ara?

Teodor

Thank you very much indeed Teodor to have corrected me

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Dom

[Gess]

The same Suliman ...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleima...rkish_officer)

It has entered army in 1854 Has ended military college in Istanbul (1861). Participated in suppression of revolts in Montenegro (1862) and on Crete (1867). In 1867 - the major, with 1873 colonel.

[Gess]

Or another...? In 1848 has entered into Bucharest.

[Gess]

Oh, SOLIMANs in Turkey many people ...
Of course not all "AGHA", but many ...

[TVV]

In my understanding, Agha in the Ottoman Empire was just a polite title, applied to pretty much every Muslim man of some age, not dissimilar to how we use "sir" nowadays. Most towns and villages probably had a Suliman Agha.
Regards,
Teodor

[Gess]

I totally agree with you.
My posts - this is a joke, a fantasy. To kill time until Zifir.
Regards

[Dom]

Originally Posted by TVV

In my understanding, Agha in the Ottoman Empire was just a polite title, applied to pretty much every Muslim man of some age, not dissimilar to how we use "sir" nowadays. Most towns and villages probably had a Suliman Agha.
Regards,
Teodor

you are correct Teodor
it's what happens in Egypt in nowadays, for instance
when we want to honor some one,
we give him the title of "Pacha" or "Bey"

now the question might be ; in XIX century,
what have been the habits into the Turkish civilian life ??

might be no "joke" with title the matter was too serious & sensitive ??

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Dom

[Zifir]

Hi,
There is only one or two things to add to Dom's transliteration. I think in the first line there is elif (a) missing so it's Salih Agha not Salih Gabin, this is of course my guessing. The word at the end of the line is Alemdar (a rank in janissary corps).

Of course Teodor is correct saying that in the second half of the nineteenth century the title Agha became something like "sir" in Ottoman language. But before the abolishing of the Janissary Corps not everyone was an agha, it was mainly a military title.

One last comment about the yataghan, it's interesting that our sword maker, who was a son of a janissary called Osman Alemdar, was still using this janissary title (Alemdar) for his father in 1850's, because Sultan Mahmud II banned the use of janissary titles after the abolishing of the Janissary Corps. This is expected of course, because in 1850's this did not matter much for the state anymore.

[Gess]

If you engage in serious debate, then we must look wider.
1. Owner wrote about himself on the blade. I do not think that he will assign a rank of "AGHA".
2. Yataghan obviously expensive. On the handle there were traces of gold, silver and frames for precious stones. Such nominal Yataghan could afford a rich, respectable man.
3. Year 1858! Turkey is involved in the war. Many weapons, not expensive . Who could spend a lot of money on such a subject?...
Regards,
Gess.

I was late with my post. Appeared respected Zifir and responded.
Please! Write to the final text, including all amendments.

P.S. Alemdar (a rank in janissary corps) - the standard-bearer?

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Gess

Or another...? In 1848 has entered into Bucharest.

careful this one is a "Pacha" not an "Agha"