Plz help with ID of 2 Daggers

erlikhan · 18th May 2005, 07:38 AM

Well Tom, what you want is easy. I can post as many Surmene pictures as many you wish, as they are plenty here in market and offered continuously on internet. Seller says this one is 41 cms. A big one with some silver inlay. Perhaps I must pay more attention to them and collect some while they are still not expensive??

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I just think, both the pinky finger pad and the unsharp edged tip are to support and strengthen the thrusts. By "Tartaric",you mean Crimean Tartars or Middle Ajia? On which samples does the pad exist? Or both?
regards

Justin · 18th May 2005, 02:14 PM

erlikhan:Thanks for posting all the examples for comparison.This last one with the ears seems to have an almost identical sheath to mine.

So the first one is a Surmene.What do I call the other one,Im surprised that theres been few comments on it,I know I have seen these around before.

Mark · 18th May 2005, 02:19 PM

That is one cool-looking knife, erlikhan!

Conogre · 18th May 2005, 02:44 PM

erlikhan, you have me curious (and drooling) when you state that the "Surmene daggers/knives" are continuously offered on the internet, as I comb the net (including Ebay) with regularity and have yet to see more than one or two in the past five years....would you possibly have a link to a dealer that sells to westerners that has them occasionally?
I would definitely like to add at least a few more to my collection, and likewise, would have no problem with some that you could purchase at your local market.
While the 2nd knife hasn't garnered much comment, I couldn't help but notice that the "maker's mark" on the blade of Lee's knife is nearly identical to that same knife, which would possibly indicate that at one time they were more common and of much higher quality.
Mike

erlikhan · 18th May 2005, 04:14 PM

Conogre, these are local Turkish sites. Not international. Export of any kind of antiques from Turkey is strictly forbidden. Even a ww2 or post war dagger or bayonet can simply be thought as a potential antique and held by customs, which means economical catastrophe for the sender to be able to take it back. Just depends on the mood and knowledge of the custom official on duty in mail control. The seller can take a "not antique" document from museum per piece in advance, but would cost a lot of money. So you would hardly be able to find a local seller to mail it abroad.
regards

18th May 2005, 07:38 AM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Well Tom, what you want is easy. I can post as many Surmene pictures as many you wish, as they are plenty here in market and offered continuously on internet. Seller says this one is 41 cms. A big one with some silver inlay. Perhaps I must pay more attention to them and collect some while they are still not expensive?? . I just think, both the pinky finger pad and the unsharp edged tip are to support and strengthen the thrusts. By "Tartaric",you mean Crimean Tartars or Middle Ajia? On which samples does the pad exist? Or both? regards Attached Images

18th May 2005, 04:14 PM	#5
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Conogre, these are local Turkish sites. Not international. Export of any kind of antiques from Turkey is strictly forbidden. Even a ww2 or post war dagger or bayonet can simply be thought as a potential antique and held by customs, which means economical catastrophe for the sender to be able to take it back. Just depends on the mood and knowledge of the custom official on duty in mail control. The seller can take a "not antique" document from museum per piece in advance, but would cost a lot of money. So you would hardly be able to find a local seller to mail it abroad. regards Last edited by erlikhan; 18th May 2005 at 09:55 PM.

18th May 2005, 02:14 PM	#2
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	erlikhan:Thanks for posting all the examples for comparison.This last one with the ears seems to have an almost identical sheath to mine. So the first one is a Surmene.What do I call the other one,Im surprised that theres been few comments on it,I know I have seen these around before.

18th May 2005, 02:19 PM	#3
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	That is one cool-looking knife, erlikhan!

18th May 2005, 02:44 PM	#4
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	erlikhan, you have me curious (and drooling) when you state that the "Surmene daggers/knives" are continuously offered on the internet, as I comb the net (including Ebay) with regularity and have yet to see more than one or two in the past five years....would you possibly have a link to a dealer that sells to westerners that has them occasionally? I would definitely like to add at least a few more to my collection, and likewise, would have no problem with some that you could purchase at your local market. While the 2nd knife hasn't garnered much comment, I couldn't help but notice that the "maker's mark" on the blade of Lee's knife is nearly identical to that same knife, which would possibly indicate that at one time they were more common and of much higher quality. Mike