Gold Cross on top of Pesi

Gustav · 1st November 2009, 12:02 AM

The name of this art of pesi is pesi Tapak Jalak.

In "Keris Jawa antara Mistik dan Nalar" on page 162:

"Pesi tapak jalak, pada permukaan ujungnya diberi dua guratan bersilang seperti tanda plus (+) yang diisi emas atau perak , oleh sebagian masyarakat dianggap mempunyai tuah tertentu."

(I hope somebody who speaks Bahasa can translate it.)

Naga Sasra · 1st November 2009, 12:41 AM

Wow, that was really quick, I must admit that I saw the entry in the book but have been unable to translate the sentence (Help Please).

As it is a rather short statement, perhaps someone out there can expand on the meaning of the cross. Such as why? when? whom? where? ect.

Thank you Gustav for your quick reply.

Sajen · 1st November 2009, 01:10 AM

When I understand it correct with my unperfect and little knowlegde in bahasa Indonesia is the meaning that this cross, sometimes inlaid with gold or silver is for high status and respect people. But I am sure that Alan or someone from Indonesia/Malaysia/Singapore can translate it better than I am. BTW, I have seen this cross also already by good blades.

sajen

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 03:44 AM

Detlef was really close, as the exact translation would be "Pesi tapak jalak, where at the surface of the edge of the pesi was given a mark just like a plus (+) sign and filled up with gold or silver, by some societies this doing was associated with enticing some certain luck."

I hope it conveys the right meaning.

BTW, this doing must be of some kind of special cases, if not who would bother to do such thing?

A. G. Maisey · 1st November 2009, 08:17 AM

Moshah's translation is near enough, but in English, we would write the idea conveyed like this:-

Pesi tapak jalak, on the surface of the tip there are two crossed lines, like a plus (+) sign, which are filled with gold or silver; by a part of the community this is considered to have a certain talismanic value.

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 08:41 AM

That would be the right one.

Alan, what kind of talismanic value that normally associated to this kind of kinatah? Was it ever called kinatah, anyway?

I doubt that it was created to deter status, as nobody will walk around flaunt the pesi or wearing a keris without the ukiran / hilt...unless if there are secret society / occult meeting which needs you to reveal certain part of the keris.

Hmm, I might be seeing much cult movies lately

Gustav · 1st November 2009, 10:18 AM

Not status, a talismanic value. Nobody bears his talisman visible for all people.

1st November 2009, 01:10 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	When I understand it correct with my unperfect and little knowlegde in bahasa Indonesia is the meaning that this cross, sometimes inlaid with gold or silver is for high status and respect people. But I am sure that Alan or someone from Indonesia/Malaysia/Singapore can translate it better than I am. BTW, I have seen this cross also already by good blades. sajen Last edited by Sajen; 1st November 2009 at 01:37 AM.

1st November 2009, 12:02 AM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	The name of this art of pesi is pesi Tapak Jalak. In "Keris Jawa antara Mistik dan Nalar" on page 162: "Pesi tapak jalak, pada permukaan ujungnya diberi dua guratan bersilang seperti tanda plus (+) yang diisi emas atau perak , oleh sebagian masyarakat dianggap mempunyai tuah tertentu." (I hope somebody who speaks Bahasa can translate it.)

1st November 2009, 12:41 AM	#2
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Wow, that was really quick, I must admit that I saw the entry in the book but have been unable to translate the sentence (Help Please). As it is a rather short statement, perhaps someone out there can expand on the meaning of the cross. Such as why? when? whom? where? ect. Thank you Gustav for your quick reply.

1st November 2009, 03:44 AM	#4
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Detlef was really close, as the exact translation would be "Pesi tapak jalak, where at the surface of the edge of the pesi was given a mark just like a plus (+) sign and filled up with gold or silver, by some societies this doing was associated with enticing some certain luck." I hope it conveys the right meaning. BTW, this doing must be of some kind of special cases, if not who would bother to do such thing?

1st November 2009, 08:17 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Moshah's translation is near enough, but in English, we would write the idea conveyed like this:- Pesi tapak jalak, on the surface of the tip there are two crossed lines, like a plus (+) sign, which are filled with gold or silver; by a part of the community this is considered to have a certain talismanic value.

1st November 2009, 08:41 AM	#6
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	That would be the right one. Alan, what kind of talismanic value that normally associated to this kind of kinatah? Was it ever called kinatah, anyway? I doubt that it was created to deter status, as nobody will walk around flaunt the pesi or wearing a keris without the ukiran / hilt...unless if there are secret society / occult meeting which needs you to reveal certain part of the keris. Hmm, I might be seeing much cult movies lately

1st November 2009, 10:18 AM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Not status, a talismanic value. Nobody bears his talisman visible for all people.