Sumatran / Bugis ID

A. G. Maisey · 31st October 2009, 08:23 PM

Easter Island??

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 02:56 AM

My bad, Detlef. What I meant to say is that David has shown me an identical motives to the pendok of the keris that I am posting..

Hi Gustav. Thank you very much on your opinion. I can see that you have valid ground about that. The two kerises have quite similar kembang kacang / belalai gajah, and sogokan also bears resemblance...but why would you address is as "bugis-influenced culture" instead of a bugis?

Well, Alan, pardon my typo there...definitely it's not going to go as far as Easter island! This is why I hate to write on a laptop, where the keys are dead flat!

A. G. Maisey · 1st November 2009, 08:21 AM

I loathe laptops.

An invention of Satan.

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 08:34 AM

I can see why, Alan.

However I have made the devil's pact since last year by purchasing one.

Gustav · 1st November 2009, 10:44 AM

Dear Moshah,

I just thought, the Sorsoran-features are rather plain and the overall shape to, I would say, "handsome" for a Bugis. The primary influence for this blade for me is Javanese, the secondary Bugis.

But as I wrote, I didn't have enough knowledge to build an opinion, so it is my fault to have write something about this subject at all.

David · 1st November 2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

My bad, Detlef. What I meant to say is that David has shown me an identical motives to the pendok of the keris that I am posting..

Yes Moshah, and AFAIK this is a Sulawesi keris (mine), not Sumatran.

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 05:58 PM

Thanks for the input, Gustav. I really think you got a point there. This could be a mixed bag. However the kembang kacang has the same style with the sold bugis keris in Malay Art Gallery. It gets really confused now...

Pardon me mistakes, David. What I really meant is, when I see your pix it is clear that the pendoks are identical.

However I don't think it is safe to tag the blade according to its hilt and sheath. There are always the possibility of previous owner's preferences (in changing the hilts and sheath) and also dealer's intervention.

khalifah muda · 4th November 2009, 03:16 AM

Hi there, this blade may also be from Sumbawa. Sumbawa are well known of its creative blade.
However, it is a marvelous piece you have there.

Regards.

Moshah · 4th November 2009, 06:27 AM

Hi khalifah muda.

thanks for the info. However not many people associate this blade to sumbawa attribution. Most said it's sumatera, or palembang.

Could you kindly explain where and why it was a Sumbawa's blade?

Thanks for the compliment. Are you referring to the garap or the pamor or overall?

Sorry I have to ask, since I don't possess good knowledge in recognizing this keris. So I take this chance to learn from all of you guys

khalifah muda · 4th November 2009, 06:35 AM

It's overall for the blade.
For my view the hilt it shall be possessing a Sumatran/Palembang influence.
Sheath wise from my view its has a Sulawesi influence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshah

Hi khalifah muda.

thanks for the info. However not many people associate this blade to sumbawa attribution. Most said it's sumatera, or palembang.

Could you kindly explain where and why it was a Sumbawa's blade?

Thanks for the compliment. Are you referring to the garap or the pamor or overall?

Sorry I have to ask, since I don't possess good knowledge in recognizing this keris. So I take this chance to learn from all of you guys

1st November 2009, 10:44 AM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,275	Dear Moshah, I just thought, the Sorsoran-features are rather plain and the overall shape to, I would say, "handsome" for a Bugis. The primary influence for this blade for me is Javanese, the secondary Bugis. But as I wrote, I didn't have enough knowledge to build an opinion, so it is my fault to have write something about this subject at all. Last edited by Gustav; 1st November 2009 at 12:43 PM.

31st October 2009, 08:23 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,013	Easter Island??

1st November 2009, 02:56 AM	#2
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	My bad, Detlef. What I meant to say is that David has shown me an identical motives to the pendok of the keris that I am posting.. Hi Gustav. Thank you very much on your opinion. I can see that you have valid ground about that. The two kerises have quite similar kembang kacang / belalai gajah, and sogokan also bears resemblance...but why would you address is as "bugis-influenced culture" instead of a bugis? Well, Alan, pardon my typo there...definitely it's not going to go as far as Easter island! This is why I hate to write on a laptop, where the keys are dead flat!

1st November 2009, 08:21 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,013	I loathe laptops. An invention of Satan.

1st November 2009, 08:34 AM	#4
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	I can see why, Alan. However I have made the devil's pact since last year by purchasing one.

1st November 2009, 05:58 PM	#7
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Thanks for the input, Gustav. I really think you got a point there. This could be a mixed bag. However the kembang kacang has the same style with the sold bugis keris in Malay Art Gallery. It gets really confused now... Pardon me mistakes, David. What I really meant is, when I see your pix it is clear that the pendoks are identical. However I don't think it is safe to tag the blade according to its hilt and sheath. There are always the possibility of previous owner's preferences (in changing the hilts and sheath) and also dealer's intervention.

4th November 2009, 03:16 AM	#8
khalifah muda Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 54	Hi there, this blade may also be from Sumbawa. Sumbawa are well known of its creative blade. However, it is a marvelous piece you have there. Regards.

4th November 2009, 06:27 AM	#9
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Hi khalifah muda. thanks for the info. However not many people associate this blade to sumbawa attribution. Most said it's sumatera, or palembang. Could you kindly explain where and why it was a Sumbawa's blade? Thanks for the compliment. Are you referring to the garap or the pamor or overall? Sorry I have to ask, since I don't possess good knowledge in recognizing this keris. So I take this chance to learn from all of you guys