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Bill · 11th May 2005, 09:02 PM

ment that last 15thC to be 16thC. Any examples of a terciada? Wasn't trying to compare Brunei dominance to European dominance but the purpose is really the same isn't it. Marrage was used by both for alliances, it all boils down to dominance of trade, not to offend anyone but the "missionary" spread of religion is often used to control a group & used and a excuse to kill them if they don't conform to control. If we look from early 16thC to late 16thC there is conciderable change in the amount of swords in the PI. Logic would seem to say, to fight the Spanish. You have Brunei & Celebes both well armed & both, that by the second half of the 16thC don't want the Spanish in thier backyards. Brunei, early 16thC has a large Bugis population. This time period the keris is throughout Celebes. Every "borneo" keris I have seen is Bugis. Seems that in a 50 year period we go from no mention of the "Moro" kris to Spanish accounts that seem to indicate that all "Moro" warriors welded one. A very quick evolution of a sword, unless of course, it already existed and was supplied.

11th May 2005, 09:02 PM	#10
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	ment that last 15thC to be 16thC. Any examples of a terciada? Wasn't trying to compare Brunei dominance to European dominance but the purpose is really the same isn't it. Marrage was used by both for alliances, it all boils down to dominance of trade, not to offend anyone but the "missionary" spread of religion is often used to control a group & used and a excuse to kill them if they don't conform to control. If we look from early 16thC to late 16thC there is conciderable change in the amount of swords in the PI. Logic would seem to say, to fight the Spanish. You have Brunei & Celebes both well armed & both, that by the second half of the 16thC don't want the Spanish in thier backyards. Brunei, early 16thC has a large Bugis population. This time period the keris is throughout Celebes. Every "borneo" keris I have seen is Bugis. Seems that in a 50 year period we go from no mention of the "Moro" kris to Spanish accounts that seem to indicate that all "Moro" warriors welded one. A very quick evolution of a sword, unless of course, it already existed and was supplied.