sepokal for ID and comments

Gustav · 5th September 2009, 10:01 PM

Hello Sajen,

thanks for the less romantical version, most probably you are wright.

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Please excuse me for the chaotical order of pictures! (And also for some to much.)

Sajen · 5th September 2009, 10:30 PM

not to much pictures!

Gustav · 6th September 2009, 12:48 PM

Please, do eat only after touching your keris!

BluErf · 6th September 2009, 04:55 PM

I second the mouse theory.

At any rate, in some Malay areas, when they see such damage, esp fresh damage, they won't say that the mouse did it. Rather, they'd say "Cik Siti ada keraja", literally, "Miss Siti did some work". Miss Siti is of course not a real person, but in reference to the mouse. The belief was that if you said the mouse did some work, they'd come back again to do more work.

Regarding the keris, to me, I'd classify this as a Sulawesi keris. Nice blade indeed, and even nicer hilt!

Very voluptuous. The sheath is great too; I like the grain on the wood.

I dont' think there is any specific Bugis areas that prefers a particular pamor, though I'd say pamor uler lurut is one of the common uncommon pamor (ok, don't know if I make sense

). That means the vast majority of Bugis kerises have the kulit semangka pamor, usually combined with ujung gunung. The rest would have the more uncommon pamor such as raja abala raja, uler lurut, sader saleh, lintah kemukus, and others. So these are the uncommon pamor, and uler lurut is the more common ones amongst this category of uncommon pamors, based on my own personal observation, of course.

Gustav · 6th September 2009, 07:49 PM

Thank you very much for the comments, BluErf.

So Keris Bugis Sepokal Batang Cik Siti

Is this sampir typically Sulawesi?
I also have seen many Keris Bugis with Uler Lurut, and most of them in the last time are named Keris Sumbawa (what ever it means, http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10665),
thats, why I asked.

PenangsangII · 7th September 2009, 05:35 AM

very nice and serviceable sepukal.....

If the hilt and pendokok are not original to the blade, i am more inclined towards Palembang provenance.....

this one looks almost similar to mine... especially the "curve profile', flat ganja, lower gandik and almost flat ganja base
http://harizant.multiply.com/photos/...Bugis_Sepukal_

have you checked whether there's a needle in the hilt?

Gustav · 7th September 2009, 11:23 AM

Penangsang, thank you very much.

Your blade is very similar indeed.

No, there wasn't a needle.
The cross section of the blade is somewhere in the middle between hexagonal and oval (so I also thought of a non Sulawesi provenience), but it is also worn up.
I don't know if pendokok and handle are replacements, but it was also my question to the seller. My idee was, that a person, who is able to pay for such hilt would chose a more elaborate pendokok.

6th September 2009, 12:48 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,307	Please, do eat only after touching your keris! Attached Images

7th September 2009, 11:23 AM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,307	Penangsang, thank you very much. Your blade is very similar indeed. No, there wasn't a needle. The cross section of the blade is somewhere in the middle between hexagonal and oval (so I also thought of a non Sulawesi provenience), but it is also worn up. I don't know if pendokok and handle are replacements, but it was also my question to the seller. My idee was, that a person, who is able to pay for such hilt would chose a more elaborate pendokok. Attached Images

5th September 2009, 10:01 PM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,307	Hello Sajen, thanks for the less romantical version, most probably you are wright. ------------------------------------------------------------ Please excuse me for the chaotical order of pictures! (And also for some to much.)

5th September 2009, 10:30 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,492	not to much pictures!

6th September 2009, 04:55 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I second the mouse theory. At any rate, in some Malay areas, when they see such damage, esp fresh damage, they won't say that the mouse did it. Rather, they'd say "Cik Siti ada keraja", literally, "Miss Siti did some work". Miss Siti is of course not a real person, but in reference to the mouse. The belief was that if you said the mouse did some work, they'd come back again to do more work. Regarding the keris, to me, I'd classify this as a Sulawesi keris. Nice blade indeed, and even nicer hilt! Very voluptuous. The sheath is great too; I like the grain on the wood. I dont' think there is any specific Bugis areas that prefers a particular pamor, though I'd say pamor uler lurut is one of the common uncommon pamor (ok, don't know if I make sense ). That means the vast majority of Bugis kerises have the kulit semangka pamor, usually combined with ujung gunung. The rest would have the more uncommon pamor such as raja abala raja, uler lurut, sader saleh, lintah kemukus, and others. So these are the uncommon pamor, and uler lurut is the more common ones amongst this category of uncommon pamors, based on my own personal observation, of course.

6th September 2009, 07:49 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,307	Thank you very much for the comments, BluErf. So Keris Bugis Sepokal Batang Cik Siti Is this sampir typically Sulawesi? I also have seen many Keris Bugis with Uler Lurut, and most of them in the last time are named Keris Sumbawa (what ever it means, http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10665), thats, why I asked.

7th September 2009, 05:35 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	very nice and serviceable sepukal..... If the hilt and pendokok are not original to the blade, i am more inclined towards Palembang provenance..... this one looks almost similar to mine... especially the "curve profile', flat ganja, lower gandik and almost flat ganja base http://harizant.multiply.com/photos/...Bugis_Sepukal_ have you checked whether there's a needle in the hilt?