2 Pata

[Emanuel]

I've seen another one of these for sale David. The two pieces above are different, the oxidation patterns are not quite identical, but I feel they come from the same workshop. Sheet metal stamped and bent to shape, brass I guess. Who knows about the blade

[katana]

Originally Posted by Emanuel

I've seen another one of these for sale David. The two pieces above are different, the oxidation patterns are not quite identical, but I feel they come from the same workshop. Sheet metal stamped and bent to shape, brass I guess. Who knows about the blade

Hi Emanuel,
I agree with your comments .....but if 'modern' made antiques are being passed on by dealers ....you would not want to 'flood' the market ..(although 2, almost identical items is not really 'flooding' ) but Pata's are not common.
So from the buyer's point of view, he now has a choice of two ....which potentionally could lessen the sale price. Two almost identical specimens, sold at the same time, also suggests 1. these are not unusual 2. likely produced in greater numbers 3. Possibly made recently for sale to collectors / tourists.

To me, this highlights the increasing numbers of 'fake' antique weapons, manufactured in Indian workshops being sold by dealers. Most of us think of China ....but with India's growing economy, the same is happening there.

There is an increasing 'concern' that some dealers are buying directly from these workshops and fraudulently selling them as genuine.
As a footnote, there is also a greater number of composite pieces, put together from old component parts coming from India.

With a 'growing' interest in ethnic weapons.....the market is increasing and the 'availability' of 'fakes' will multiply.

Bearing in mind, the recent interest in Australasian and Polynesian clubs and the high prices they now command. An 'influx' of 'fakes' is very likely.

All the best
David

[Emanuel]

You misunderstood David, by workshop I meant recent/modern/repro shop, not an old armoury. We are in complete agreement . You've drawn out in detail my point.
We see the same thing with the new "damascus" khanjars and kattars with mechanical rain-drop pattern. Made cheaply, sold cheaply at first, but subsequently advertized as antique.

All in all, it's good to have resources like this forum where we can consult with fellow colelctors and differentiate fakes from genuine.

Take care,
Emanuel