Day To Night

[Gustav]

Beautiful indeed.

The quality of this photo is also like a signature.

[Rick]

Credit goes to the stainer Gustav .
I'll thank you for him .

The camera is a little Fuji point and shoot .

Pamor ideas anyone ?
Should we even try ?

Uler Lulut ?

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Rick

Credit goes to the stainer Gustav .
I'll thank you for him .

The camera is a little Fuji point and shoot .

Pamor ideas anyone ?
Should we even try ?

Uler Lulut ?

IMO uler lulut

[Rick]

I'm intrigued by the amount of forward 'lean' or angle this blade has when viewed .


Is it a bit extreme ?
Or no ?

[erikscollectables]

Very interesting blade.
What is your idea about origin?

I now understand that the 2nd photo is the correct form to study the blade.

A maduran blade from my collection has a very strong forward lean as well.
It was discussed by Alan just a week ago.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10437

Regards, Erik

Originally Posted by Rick

I'm intrigued by the amount of forward 'lean' or angle this blade has when viewed .


Is it a bit extreme ?
Or no ?

[Tim Simmons]

Bright light city turning night into day, you can humm the rest.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by erikscollectables

Very interesting blade.
What is your idea about origin?

I now understand that the 2nd photo is the correct form to study the blade.

A maduran blade from my collection has a very strong forward lean as well.
It was discussed by Alan just a week ago.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10437

Regards, Erik

Hi Erik, if you study the angle of forward lean (when viewing a keris properly) it should be imagined as a person inclining forward from the waist in respect . Too straight is less respect, too much angle is considered subservient .

I suspect mine is on the subservient side .

The harmonious (just right) angle is the one that is generally sought .

Origin ?
A Bali style polish .
Here's a shot from the top .




Rick

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Rick

Hi Erik, if you study the angle of forward lean (when viewing a keris properly) it should be imagined as a person inclining forward from the waist in respect . Too straight is less respect, too much angle is considered subservient .

I suspect mine is on the subservient side .

The harmonious (just right) angle is the one that is generally sought .

Origin ?
A Bali style polish .
Here's a shot from the top .




Rick

Agree, uler lulut pamor. Yes, Bali style polish but it is still dubious for me whether to regard yours balinese or not.

About the "leaning angle", I've learnt from Pak Djeno (the late empu Djeno from Yogya -- I was interviewing him at his home in Jitar, Yogyakarta before Bentara Budaya Jakarta Keris Exhibition 1996) that it told something.

Pak Djeno had said, that "Ngarso Dalem" (as told by him, to mention his King of Yogyakarta, the late Hamengku Buwono IX) once commissioned two kerises and one tombak to him -- one of them was a keris with dhapur "jangkung mangkunagoro" with three luks.

On the "angle" of the keris, Pak Djeno said that "Ngarso Dalem" (literally means, "in front of him") wanted the leaning -- in between the King HB II or Sultan Sepuh, and King HB VII one of the richest HB which reigned in 1877-1921.

The King HB VII according to King HB IX -- as told by Pak Djeno -- was too leaning to the Dutch government. But the King HB II, was too "straight" against the Dutch and British ruler in the past. "Ngarso Dalem" the IX, according to Pak Djeno, wanted "in between of them"...

About Sultan Sepuh or King HB II (born 1750). Historically, this "Ngarso Dalem" had a very hard times in the past. You may imagine, that once he was "fired" or sacked from throne by the Dutch government in Java, and forcefully replaced by Pangeran Adipati Anom Hamengku Nagara and then "Prins Regent" Hamengku Buwono III in the year of 1811.

Then came Raffles government of British. King HB II came to throne again, but unfortunately only for a very short time, only six months -- from 28th of December 1811 until 28th of June 1812. Ngarso Dalem was fired again, this time by the British ruler, and even was exiled to the Island of Penang (Malay), and in 1816 was sent back to Batavia or Jakarta now, then on 1817 was exiled again to Ambon in the eastern part of the Archipelago...

But again, Sultan Sepuh the II was brought to Surabaya in 1826 from Ambon, and then came to throne again as King Hamengku Buwono II in Yogyakarta on 18th of August 1826. Because the crown prince at that time, the next King HB V or Sultan Menol was too young, still 6 years old... HB II became King of Yogyakarta again, beside the next King HB V as "Sultan Anom" or the Young Sultan... Only two years at his throne, King HB II then passed away on 2nd of January 1828.

Back to Pak Djeno. Unfortunately, Pak Djeno had not yet done his job for his King. Because King HB IX who commissioned keris and tombak -- had passed away. (King HB IX passed away on 1990). Fortunately to me, Pak Djeno gave me permission to take foto of the design of King HB IX's tombak that not yet done at all by Pak Djeno...

GANJAWULUNG