IM BAAAACK! and mystery knife!

Aurangzeb · 11th July 2009, 04:56 AM

hi all,
Is there a way to tell if it was nickled or chromed? I dont think its to recent....my personal feeling is 1950's at the latest. Its a solid piece. I wonder if it could be part of one of those german hunting sword sets.....i have seen some of those with accomanying knives. the mystery deepens eh? lol THE GAMES AFOOT!

Mark...

p.s i dont know if it helps but the furrel seems to be german silver. it doesnt have that blueish hue of real silver. and the blade is razor sharp.

pps. take a look at the last 2 pieces on the page..... http://www.germaniainternational.com/hunting4.html i think this is the trouse of which you speak? and the handle on the last one is much like mine

M ELEY · 11th July 2009, 09:23 AM

Exactly the type of which I speak. Good find! Now if I had searched for that, I would have come up empty-handed. The second from the bottom is the type of which I speak. Hirshfanger and hunting implements were such an important part of Germanic culture as you see. Your piece could still be chromed in the modern era. It is hard to tell from pics. If the whole piece were silvered, I'd guess early 20th, but you never know. Still, very well made. I'm hoping to add a stag-hilted hanger like the last one on the site you posted to my collection some day. Many of these early examples went to sea due to their compact nature and robust form.(i.e. Think "pirate"

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Aurangzeb · 11th July 2009, 03:14 PM

Hi M Eley,

So this is a German hunting knife afterall. I wonder if this would fall in the Jagdmesser catagory then? Looking at it would seem to make a good skinning knife. I like German hunting implemants and wanted a Hirschfanger as well but the price always kept me at arms length

What do you think of the clam that the uncomfortable stag handle was a Hessian innovation, I wonder if that could point to this knife having a Hessianl Origen......

M ELEY · 12th July 2009, 02:37 AM

Actually, the Germans didn't have exclusive rights to the "rough-hewn stag hilt look" on swords and hangers. I have seen similar hilts on many Scottish pieces, as well as some colonial American. It was a matter of taste and perhaps aided in allowing a good grip for the hunter while butchering (that could get the knife quite gory and slippery). Your knife's hilt does appear to have some aging to it, but the blade has a more modern appearance. Hard to tell. I'd guess at oldest, it dates to late 19th century, well after the period where the Germans were referred to as Hessians. I'm with you on wanting a nice old hanger. Perhaps some day-

Mark

Aurangzeb · 12th July 2009, 02:49 AM

Hi M Eley,

thanks for all of your help with this knife. Im really very foind of it. I persoanlly think its 1920's or 30's......thats just my guess based on the chroming/nickeling/silvering. Unfortunatly in the pics the light black stains/pittin(not sure what to call it) dont show up

....Yay! another German hunting knife for my collection......i have a little lederhosenmesser

Mark....

11th July 2009, 04:56 AM	#1
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	hi all, Is there a way to tell if it was nickled or chromed? I dont think its to recent....my personal feeling is 1950's at the latest. Its a solid piece. I wonder if it could be part of one of those german hunting sword sets.....i have seen some of those with accomanying knives. the mystery deepens eh? lol THE GAMES AFOOT! Mark... p.s i dont know if it helps but the furrel seems to be german silver. it doesnt have that blueish hue of real silver. and the blade is razor sharp. pps. take a look at the last 2 pieces on the page..... http://www.germaniainternational.com/hunting4.html i think this is the trouse of which you speak? and the handle on the last one is much like mine Last edited by Aurangzeb; 11th July 2009 at 05:47 AM.

11th July 2009, 09:23 AM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Exactly the type of which I speak. Good find! Now if I had searched for that, I would have come up empty-handed. The second from the bottom is the type of which I speak. Hirshfanger and hunting implements were such an important part of Germanic culture as you see. Your piece could still be chromed in the modern era. It is hard to tell from pics. If the whole piece were silvered, I'd guess early 20th, but you never know. Still, very well made. I'm hoping to add a stag-hilted hanger like the last one on the site you posted to my collection some day. Many of these early examples went to sea due to their compact nature and robust form.(i.e. Think "pirate" )

11th July 2009, 03:14 PM	#3
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hi M Eley, So this is a German hunting knife afterall. I wonder if this would fall in the Jagdmesser catagory then? Looking at it would seem to make a good skinning knife. I like German hunting implemants and wanted a Hirschfanger as well but the price always kept me at arms length What do you think of the clam that the uncomfortable stag handle was a Hessian innovation, I wonder if that could point to this knife having a Hessianl Origen......

12th July 2009, 02:37 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Actually, the Germans didn't have exclusive rights to the "rough-hewn stag hilt look" on swords and hangers. I have seen similar hilts on many Scottish pieces, as well as some colonial American. It was a matter of taste and perhaps aided in allowing a good grip for the hunter while butchering (that could get the knife quite gory and slippery). Your knife's hilt does appear to have some aging to it, but the blade has a more modern appearance. Hard to tell. I'd guess at oldest, it dates to late 19th century, well after the period where the Germans were referred to as Hessians. I'm with you on wanting a nice old hanger. Perhaps some day- Mark

12th July 2009, 02:49 AM	#5
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hi M Eley, thanks for all of your help with this knife. Im really very foind of it. I persoanlly think its 1920's or 30's......thats just my guess based on the chroming/nickeling/silvering. Unfortunatly in the pics the light black stains/pittin(not sure what to call it) dont show up ....Yay! another German hunting knife for my collection......i have a little lederhosenmesser Mark....