Dutch klewang vs. US Naval Cutlass?

broadaxe · 19th June 2009, 11:09 PM

Actualy, I think the influence can be regarded in long term (of centuries) and has been mutual. Sea-going tribes from Indonesia & the Malay peninsula have made use of short sword-like weapons and short spears (much like boarding pikes). Introduction to the marine edge weapons of the western sailors led its way towards the creation of a weapon such as the Parang Nabur, for example.
Another example, of the opposite way, can be seen in the former (1960's-1980's) British issue Golok machete for tropical area.

Hotspur · 2nd July 2009, 04:30 PM

The American 1917 has the blade similar to these but the 1917 had a solid basket. What Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel lists his as a 1917, is actually the Milsco version made later in the century. I was suprised by one recently that had a copper basket and shiny blade. According to another respondant, those plated American 1917 versions were truly done up that way for parade and such.

Cheers

Hotspur; I think Mike McWatters pages still have similar information

kronckew · 2nd July 2009, 05:20 PM

here's a ref. on the 1917 cutlass. LINKY

while officially declared obsolete in 1949, it apparently was still in use for ceremonial purposes at certain navy schools for long after. i understand some of those may have been plated and otherwise gussied up for display value. the US Navy Ceremonial Guard in Washington, DC (Anacostia Annex) still uses the 1860/61 model of modern mfg.

Hotspur · 2nd July 2009, 05:42 PM

Chuck!!

I like these.
http://www.navyandmarine.org/index.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/index.html
http://www.cwsmma.org/TheCutlassCaveditsNiche.htm

The copper and nickle plated job that surfaced and a ringer of a Neumann 18th century piece that I couldn't pass up and have adopted.

Cheers

Hotspur; the repro at the bottom already comes with rust and a dark blade

kronckew · 2nd July 2009, 06:12 PM

nice one, hotspur.

for those whole like the shorter flavours of swords, the police in various nations carried hangers, like this one

which is a victorian british constabulary model. note the distinctive push button scabbard lock, which is fully functional on this one, they're normally found missing or broken - used on swords issued for use at Her Majesty's Prisons. sadly scabbard did not survive. chrome plated for parade, shagreen grip cover needs restoration. victorian british police hangers are normally found unsharpened (like this one) as the preferred use was to break bones rather than sever them. 24" blade for reference.

celtan · 2nd July 2009, 07:38 PM

Mine's purtier...

Very rare Ames M 1860 Officer's Cutlass.
Used until the beginning of WWII

19th June 2009, 11:09 PM	#1
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Actualy, I think the influence can be regarded in long term (of centuries) and has been mutual. Sea-going tribes from Indonesia & the Malay peninsula have made use of short sword-like weapons and short spears (much like boarding pikes). Introduction to the marine edge weapons of the western sailors led its way towards the creation of a weapon such as the Parang Nabur, for example. Another example, of the opposite way, can be seen in the former (1960's-1980's) British issue Golok machete for tropical area. Attached Images

2nd July 2009, 05:20 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	here's a ref. on the 1917 cutlass. LINKY while officially declared obsolete in 1949, it apparently was still in use for ceremonial purposes at certain navy schools for long after. i understand some of those may have been plated and otherwise gussied up for display value. the US Navy Ceremonial Guard in Washington, DC (Anacostia Annex) still uses the 1860/61 model of modern mfg. Last edited by kronckew; 2nd July 2009 at 05:47 PM.

2nd July 2009, 05:42 PM	#4
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 508	Chuck!! I like these. http://www.navyandmarine.org/index.htm http://www.history.navy.mil/index.html http://www.cwsmma.org/TheCutlassCaveditsNiche.htm The copper and nickle plated job that surfaced and a ringer of a Neumann 18th century piece that I couldn't pass up and have adopted. Cheers Hotspur; the repro at the bottom already comes with rust and a dark blade Attached Images

2nd July 2009, 06:12 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	nice one, hotspur. for those whole like the shorter flavours of swords, the police in various nations carried hangers, like this one which is a victorian british constabulary model. note the distinctive push button scabbard lock, which is fully functional on this one, they're normally found missing or broken - used on swords issued for use at Her Majesty's Prisons. sadly scabbard did not survive. chrome plated for parade, shagreen grip cover needs restoration. victorian british police hangers are normally found unsharpened (like this one) as the preferred use was to break bones rather than sever them. 24" blade for reference. Last edited by kronckew; 2nd July 2009 at 06:32 PM.

2nd July 2009, 07:38 PM	#6
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Mine's purtier... Very rare Ames M 1860 Officer's Cutlass. Used until the beginning of WWII Last edited by celtan; 3rd July 2009 at 03:11 AM.

2nd July 2009, 04:30 PM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 508	The American 1917 has the blade similar to these but the 1917 had a solid basket. What Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel lists his as a 1917, is actually the Milsco version made later in the century. I was suprised by one recently that had a copper basket and shiny blade. According to another respondant, those plated American 1917 versions were truly done up that way for parade and such. Cheers Hotspur; I think Mike McWatters pages still have similar information