Ten weirdest blades on the planet?

Gavin Nugent · 31st May 2009, 02:46 PM

Guys, off topic, though still within the parametres of the discussion, What is the correct spelling of the Sousson Pata?
I only ask as I have recently added a superb early example to my personal collection.
Is it Sousson Pata or Sosun Patta?

Thanks

Gav

CourseEight · 31st May 2009, 03:52 PM

Elgood actually spells it "Sosan Pattah"

I think since it's not a word originally written in our alphabet, it's more a question of phonetics than anything else.

fearn · 31st May 2009, 07:15 PM

Works for me. Since it's probably not an over-sized cheese knife, does it have a known function (social or otherwise), or is it one of those weapons that (to paraphrase Pratchett) is designed to be seen, rather than used?

BTW, I think the lantern shield falls into that category. Aside from the fact that it's a left handed weapon in a right-handed milieu, can you image trying to stab someone with a blade that comes off your elbow at a 15 degree angle to your arm, while trying not to spill hot lantern oil over your forearm, while said lantern is shining light 90 degrees away from your target? Functional is not the word here.

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Gavin Nugent · 23rd June 2009, 02:17 PM

I'm pretty sure these would rate on the weird list and they are users.

http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s061_full.html

Gav

kronckew · 23rd June 2009, 04:34 PM

that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.

Gavin Nugent · 24th June 2009, 12:16 PM

Beam me up!!!

fearn · 24th June 2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.

While we joke about it, it does make you wonder how far back such goofy blades go.

I'm not talking about the Chinese wheel weapons, exactly. I've got a pair of modern deer horn knives myself, and once upon a time I even learned a set for them. The martial artist who made those famous (Dong Hai Chuan, founder of baguazhang) worked as a tax collector in China, and he carried a pair of deer-horn knives prominently wherever he went. People knew of him by reputation, and knew about those knives, and (apparently) didn't give him much trouble. That's a useful kind of weapon.

No, I'm more thinking of things like that bat'leth, which is basically an art-piece turned into a mass-produced "martial arts" weapon, whether it's useful or not.

How long has this kind of thing been going on? How often were smiths inspired by some story or picture or other to make a weapon? Or how about those Chinese weapons that incorporate seven stars, rings, multiple tips and piercings, because one of the heroes in The Water Margin carried a sword like that? Has anyone got an old example?

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Tim Simmons · 24th June 2009, 07:33 PM

That policemans expression is so cool you might even think he has been practasing in the mirror. No he has been dealing with scummers for too long and seen it all before.

Rick · 24th June 2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

that tis but a child's bat'leth

similar to the one used here in london
by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.

"Don't let me catch you with one of these . "

kronckew · 25th June 2009, 09:55 AM

in actuality, someone was caught robbing a convenience store with that, the police of course confiscated it. i understand two seven-elevens in the states were similarly robbed with bat'leths. obviously a major crime wave.
there is a variant called the sword of kahless that even more resembles the chinese single handed form, in that it also has a central point and a sigle hand grip area.

i think someone on the star trek team must have visited an indian arms and armour museum, there are so many odd and unusual forms there including double ended. the chinese run a close second also. maybe a pre-industrial asian visit by klingon's

i'd not be surprised at a similar ancient form.

31st May 2009, 02:46 PM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Off topic Guys, off topic, though still within the parametres of the discussion, What is the correct spelling of the Sousson Pata? I only ask as I have recently added a superb early example to my personal collection. Is it Sousson Pata or Sosun Patta? Thanks Gav

23rd June 2009, 02:17 PM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	A Chinese pair I'm pretty sure these would rate on the weird list and they are users. http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s061_full.html Gav

24th June 2009, 12:16 PM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	You there Captain... Beam me up!!!

31st May 2009, 03:52 PM	#2
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Elgood actually spells it "Sosan Pattah" I think since it's not a word originally written in our alphabet, it's more a question of phonetics than anything else.

31st May 2009, 07:15 PM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Works for me. Since it's probably not an over-sized cheese knife, does it have a known function (social or otherwise), or is it one of those weapons that (to paraphrase Pratchett) is designed to be seen, rather than used? BTW, I think the lantern shield falls into that category. Aside from the fact that it's a left handed weapon in a right-handed milieu, can you image trying to stab someone with a blade that comes off your elbow at a 15 degree angle to your arm, while trying not to spill hot lantern oil over your forearm, while said lantern is shining light 90 degrees away from your target? Functional is not the word here. F

23rd June 2009, 04:34 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	that tis but a child's bat'leth similar to the one used here in london by the UK metropolitan police for crowd control.

24th June 2009, 07:33 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	That policemans expression is so cool you might even think he has been practasing in the mirror. No he has been dealing with scummers for too long and seen it all before.

25th June 2009, 09:55 AM	#10
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	in actuality, someone was caught robbing a convenience store with that, the police of course confiscated it. i understand two seven-elevens in the states were similarly robbed with bat'leths. obviously a major crime wave. there is a variant called the sword of kahless that even more resembles the chinese single handed form, in that it also has a central point and a sigle hand grip area. i think someone on the star trek team must have visited an indian arms and armour museum, there are so many odd and unusual forms there including double ended. the chinese run a close second also. maybe a pre-industrial asian visit by klingon's i'd not be surprised at a similar ancient form.